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WOW, that's exciting. What is really neat to think about is after the 599 & FXX, how amazing the new F60 supercar could be.

 

outpaces a CGT???? u sure?

 

I think not.
You're either a biased Ferrari fan, mis-informed or naive.
The Porsche Carrera GT has lapped the Nurburgring in a ridiculous 7.28... Being as objective as possible, I don't think there is ANYTHING performance-related the 599 can do better than the Porsche.

 

0-200km/h = 0-120mph...

The CGT has been timed does 0-100mph in 7.4 seconds. I can't imagine it taking a further 3.6 seconds to add another 20mph especially as the car will no longer be traction limited (like it is to 60mph).
And put frankly I don't believe Ferrari reference it being slower than the Enzo around fiorano by 1.5 seconds. The Enzo produces soo much more downforce and it's quite a bit lighter.There's either more in the Enzo or Ferrari are talking sales-patter.

 

I have to agree with Murci-boy on this one, but only because of the CGT's weight. It's only slightly heavier than an Enzo, and though the 599 has more TQ and HP than the CGT, I don't think it can offset five hundred pounds.

Otherwise, I'm sure it does set a new standard for what can is possible with a front-engined GT.

ChalStadale, did you turn of all the electronic aids and a take spin? Perhaps that would provide a greater "challenge".....


Forza,



Cavallini

 

CGT does 0-124mph in 9.9 secs.

Murci Boy will say youve got your Ferrari Rosso tinted glasses on, so in addition to your previous posts could we have your much appreciated critical/objective view?

 

I know this is the internet where were are supposed to nitpick eachother to death, but just this once can we focus on the point of the thread which is the driving experience rather than one exaggerated comment?

 

remember the cgt was tested on the ring the 599 was not so that fact doesnt really matter what would is if we had the input of some one has owned or driven both

 

Murci Boys point is that the CGT is ridiculously quick around a track. To say another car is quicker than Porsche's aborted Le Mans car, namely Ferrari's front engined GT, is somewhat unrealistic.

 

I have one question to chalstrad or others which have expirence with the sound of the 599.
Is there a difference between open window ride and from outside overhearing?
because I have heard that the 599 sounds much better from outside then inside.

 

Perfectly understandable. I wouldn't have either but I think that might be the answer to those wanting more of a challenge. LOL.

Thanks for the impressions btw. Nothing's as good as a true driver's review, although the magazines all seem to agree with you 100%.

Have you driven a CGT btw?


Forza,


Cavallini

 

Good counterpoints. This will be interesting to see once we have a few magazine numbers.


Forza,



Cavallini

 

I would love to see a side by side comparo of the 599 and CGT by some reputable mag like Evo ,alas that is not possible,since Porsche is discontinued ,mainly due to a very low demand.A technically great car,just not very practical and too demanding to drive,now languishing on used car lots everywhere.

 

Biased yourself maybe?

 

Whatever happened to objectivity, discussion. freedom of speech and adult debate?

I dont think he did insult you. He merely questioned some of your statements with fact and objectivity in mind.

Being a Ferrari fan and delusion should remain exclusive, certainly for the purposes of this discussion.

 

You made the woefully inaccurate "assertion" that the 599's performance exceeded the Porsche Carrera GT's - I challenged that.
(This was later backed up by performance figures - see 15hn's post where the CGT was timed to 200km/h in 9.9s.)
If that constitutes an "insult" for you, then I strongly urge YOU to go to different board where other posters will set your driving impressions and assertions in stone without ever questioning them - this way you will NEVER be "insulted."

Like you, I am a HUGE Ferrari fan (although my preference probably lies more with the older cars). Perhaps unlike you, this fan-status does not cloud my objectivity.

Back to the post - your impressions are very useful in getting a "mental feel" for the car before I get into the drivers seat. Where a well-specced 599 is likely to be priced is around used Porsche Carrera GT territory and new LP640 territory. It's performance is of critical importance - moreso because IMO the car is very clumsily styled and NOT a classically beautiful V12 Ferrari. I suspect from your post that it is NOT an out-n-out sports car that can double as a long distance GT but more likely vice-versa - an out-n-out GT car which can be driven hard....

.......not for me then.

 

A word of advice - I wouldn't give too much credence to ANY name a poster uses to log into this website. As I have said before to other "MEN" that made the same remark, I could well have called myself "HUMOURLESS_MAN" - no doubt you would have found this far more appropriate.

In spite of being insulted myself (being called a "boy") I will step up and apologise for calling you NAIVE. Had I known you'd take it personally then I certainly would not have used the word. I certainly had no intention to cause offence.
Please try and remember that debate should constitute the free exchange of opinions. On that basis I still think your judgment about the outright performance of the 599 was clouded by a quite natural bias for Ferraris that exists with users of the board - of course. Unfortunately a bias is not fact. So my original post stands.

P.S. Given my age (in relation to most F-chat users) and car-ownership history I think I have a fairly apt handle.

 

There is substantive information from most "objective" critics who have actually driven the 599, including the Porsche happy guys at EVO, that the 599 establishes new and higher levels of performance as both a GT car and a supercar.
Styling is in the eye of the beholder. I for one join Gordon Murray in loving it and finding it fresh, fluid and "right" - see R&T. But you are perfectly welcome to your opinion about that. However, what I find troubling in this blog is that its basically a bunch of talking heads yelling at each other with no expectation that anyone will concede anything. Its become a rant, not an exchange of ideas. You and others amongst the rest of us who continue to hold onto your positions in the face of evidence to the contrary can be said to be biased!
The facts around the 599 are that it is a truly outstanding automobile, irrespective of whether it is as fast as a CGT, like anyone really cares. If anyone does, they should have their head examined.

 

I think he was merely pointing out a FACT, which is the CGT is actually quicker. Thats not an opinion or a biased view, its a fact.

The 599 maybe outstanding. The fact that it is being compared to Porsche's hypercar speaks for itself. A compliment to Ferrari and the 599. We shouldnt be afraid of comparisons we should welcome them. If I am to spend £200k on a car I want to know how it compares to the competition. I wont buy or praise a car just because of the prancing horse, although judging by some of the comments on here I am sure others will.