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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm trying to figure out where the various forms of motorsports are when it comes to driver aids like traction control, braking aids, gear changes, stability control etc. Do you know what is allowed this year for F1, CART, IRL, NASCAR, WRC, Le Mans, DTM? Part of this question is obviously also focused on whether a F1 driver is still the top driver or just the guy who gets the most aids in his car.

    Let's hear it from the experts!
     
  2. GrigioGuy

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    Well, I can tell you that NASCAR is all very manual, with real clutches and floor shifters, no traction control, no ABS, etc. That's why I love to see those cars on the road courses.
     
  3. tifosi12

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    Not being a NASCAR fan myself I have to admit I fully agree with your statement.
     
  4. Texas Forever

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    I don't need no stinkin brakes. (Spitting a wad) All you gotta do is stomp da muther, turn left, and hang on!

    Dr "Jimbob Jumpback" Who
     
  5. speedy_sam

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    The only NASCAR races that I see (if at all) are the road course ones.

    But the cars look totally out of place on road courses .... like a fat aunt asked to do a J-Lo dance sequence. :)

    When the cars take a turn there is so much body roll it is incredible.

    It is no coincidence that the guys who do well here all have extensive open wheel and road course experience - Jeff Gordon, Robby Gordon, etc.
     
  6. tifosi12

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    That might be true, but I respect a series and its drivers for doing ovals and road racing. I always liked that about CART and am looking forward to IRL's first road courses this year. And I really, really loved that trading paint show. But back to the subject: No aids for NASCAR and some limited ones for F1.

    But what about all the other racing series?
     
  7. speedy_sam

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    Gearboxes:
    F1 - was semi-automatic but changed to manual in 2004. All gearboxes are sequential. Gear shifts enabled thru paddles
    CART and IRL - only allow manual sequential gearboxes. Shifting done by means of gear stick only
    WRC - Manual sequential gearboxes. Shifting done by either by steering wheel mounted rings or gear stick.

    Steering
    F1 - power assist
    CART/ IRL - power assist
    WRC - power assist

    Launch Control
    F1 - Yes
    CART/ IRL - No
    WRC - no

    TRaction Control
    F1 - Yes - primarilyfor exit of corners
    CART/ IRL - No
    WRC - Sort of - advanced set of differentials move torque around to get best grip
     
  8. tifosi12

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    Thanks you sire, very informative.

    Any word on ASR and braking assist systems?
     
  9. speedy_sam

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    I need to research ASR and other stuff for the other sports.

    But this circa-2003 article from www.f1technical.net (an excellent site for tech details) was pretty interesting as it deals with the electronics at play in F1. I have marked in bold the sections pertaining to driver aids

     
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    Sam, there's no more LC systems in F1, that was banned before the start of the 2004 season. ;)
     
  11. Turb0flat4

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    I'm sorry, where did you get the info that WRC disallows launch control ? AFAIK and from what I've read, launch control is allowed and used by the rally teams at the start of every stage.

     
  12. Mr Payne

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    What do you mean "semi-automatic"? I thought F1 was fully automatic (not now, but previously for the 2003 season).
     
  13. Admiral Thrawn

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    Poor use of terms. There really is no such thing as a "semi-automatic" gearbox. The correct term for what is used in Formula 1 is an electrohydraulic gearbox. This is still based on a manual gearbox design using a clutch (in this case controlled by a computer and hydraulics vs a foot pedal), and has nothing to to do with automatic transmissions, which use a torque converter.

    The F1 gearbox shifts sequentially (vs an H-pattern shifter gate), via wheel-mounted paddles. A few years ago, the cars upshifted automatically, but the driver still had to downshift using a paddle. Now all upshifts and downshifts must be controlled manually via paddle operation by the driver.

    In the early 90's I believe some teams used electronically mapped shifts for certain corners. I remember watching a video of Schumacher driving a Benetton, and when it came to brake and downshift for a turn, he just pressed a button on the left of the steering wheel and the shifting, pre-set for that turn, was done automatically for him.
     
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    Ok, that's what I was thinking.
     
  15. ashsimmonds

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    that's what the '67 bug i've been driving for the last 4 years has. :D

    you lightly touch the gearstick and the clutch engages automatically, pretty freaky at first. not sure why other cars never had them, it's a really nifty design, gear changes are as quick or quicker than a regular box, and there's no need to bother with a third pedal.

    not sure how it werks come to think of it, coz you can come to a full stop and take off in any gear, so it feels like an automatic, that you have to change gears in manually, however "forward" gear is flexible enough for off-the-line half-decent take-offs and cruising up to 40mph. (there's a "fast forward" low ratio, only good to 20mph, but really LAUNCHES from the lights to embarrass commodore bogans :D and an "overdrive" for 40-60mph cruising)

    any idea why such a system never caught on?

    strange little bug. :)
     
  16. Admiral Thrawn

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    Sounds like an ancient version of an auto transmission. Although, I don't know much about old Beetles so this is only a guess. ;)
     
  17. speedy_sam

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    Yep! Forgot about that!
     

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