Drivers told to come to a COMPLETE STOP if they cut a chiacane from now on

Article posted on Speed

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-drivers-told-to-stop-if-they-miss-chicane/

"Drivers have been told that they must come to a complete stop if they jump one of the chicanes in Singapore, we can reveal. The new ruling was given in notes to team managers prior to their usual pre-weekend meeting with Charlie Whiting on Thursday evening. It comes on the heels of the Spa controversy, where jumping a chicane cost Lewis Hamilton victory. The ruling applies to Turn 2 and the controversial double chicane at Turns 10-12. If a driver puts all four wheels over the white line he will have to
come to a complete stop before rejoining the track."


Can you guys even imagine this? Coming to a complete stop is probably tantamount to giving up several seconds of time on that lap... which will probably drop the competitor back a few positions, especially early on.

I think this whole situation has grown beyond the point of being ridiculous. Now we're to have drivers coming to a complete stop before starting again. I will laugh my ass off if it rains in Singapore and we have all these drivers zipping around the circuit and stopping on a frequent basis because they put all 4 wheels over the line for a moment. It will be a priceless joke.

 

i think they should put those stuff they put at Monza's first corner. those things they must go in between before rejoining the race.

 

+1

My problem with this BS is is that not only will it be a joke, but potentially a very, very dangerous one - Will they throw a yellow as the guy slows down to a stop and then takes off again? - If a car broke down and stopped in these locations they certainly would. Throw in some rain and I can see it getting like bumper cars.... This, if true, is f^&*ing crazy IMHO.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Nuts. Pure lunacy. Unadulterated insanity.

The LAST thing you want is a parked car on a track that wasn't parked because of a wreck.

What was wrong with waiting a corner before making another go at making a pass?

 

If it were real chicanes lined with walls they would come to a complete stop as well, so this is not so bad

When I watched the simulation in the other Singapore thread I didn't notice any chicanes. All the corners were lined with walls. So I guess that simulation was incorrect? Has anyone got pictures of the chicanes in question?

 

^thats what happened at Spa, but that didn't work.

unless, what if the drivers can only make a challenge again at the start of the next lap?

 

When i saw this thread title i thought it was a very weak joke I hope no one runs into the rear of a leading car. Can you imagine the enquiry about that if some one is hurt. When was it best to come to a dead stop, or did he come to a dead stop on time. Jeyz the bloody FIA

 

They need to put spike strips down on those chicanes, that would slow them down and give them a reason not to cut the chicane like some drivers do.

 

Not a joke, read this last line more closely:

"If a driver puts all four wheels over the white line he will have to come to a complete stop before rejoining the track."

No one is suggesting that a car stop on the track. The words read that that car must come to a complete stop BEFORE going back on the track.

It appears the idea is to automatically penalize the driver for going off track. Would you rather see a drive thru, or another 25 second penalty? More cries of favortism? Since chicanes are usually at the end of a fast straight, I would rather not see walls or guard rails, a run off is necessary. And at some circuits, the "next corner" is not always at a sufficient distance to use that previously considered language without potential problems. The rule applies equally to all cars.

Until this is put to practice in an actual event to determine unknown factors, I have no initial problem with this. I mean why do any of us assume we know more than the people that have run a successful series for many years? I would hope there will be a determination if a car is run off the track without fault, not because of a banzi move as Hamilton's in Spa, but because another driver wasn't paying attention or intentionally tries to run another off track.

Maybe this rule will help teach these overpaid supposed best drivers in the world to learn to actually take a chicane properly. Even in the rain.

Can you imagine??

I will wait and see if the drivers complain before criticizing this decision.

 

Ahhh, Jesus Christ on Ten Burning Crosses. The last thing you want is an uncrashed car stopping on a track, or on a chicane or anywhere else that isn't the effing pit. This rule is astoundingly stupid.

 

Why stop there? They should require the driver to stop, jump out and run three complete circles around his car before continuing on.

 

Now you're just being silly. There's no way we can have them do that without also making them pat their heads and rub bellies for 5 repetitions, too.

 

Unfortunately this still leads to interpretation - who had the corner, were they on a racing line or chopping across to defend, what's too aggressive...

Side-by-side going into a chicane, who has the line? Remember in a chicane that the outside line of the first corner becomes the inside of the second. Is the chicane considered one dorner or two? If one, then the guy that has the advantage at the enrty of the chicane is automatically ceeded teh corner by the challenger? No. Remember JPM's pass on MS in Spa (I believe?). That was a thing of beauty...

Of course we will all have to see if this is the case and that the GPDA agree to it - seems dangerous to me.

I like the straight forward - give up the gained advantage if a pass is involved and you can not overtake until after a susequent corner. Of course this does not take care of the guy behind cutting a few here and there to try and catch up a gap...

To twist a phrase: Ah, remember when racing was easy and sex was difficult...

 

RAOTFLMAO ... brillant

 

No, it *IS* stupid, no question about it.

What about where a car cuts the chicane, and comes to a stop... then another car comes barrelling into him from behind and has no place to stop because that space is occupied by a stopped car.

How many times at the start of races do we see multiple cars cutting the chicane? Look at any race where there is a chicane at the start - you'll see tons of them doing it.

Only from now on, you will see the first car stop, and the rest plow into it causing a pile-up behind.

BRILLIANT!

 

It is not ON the track, it would be on the run off area at a chicane. Big difference.

Again, people with some experience thought this through, I prefer to wait until the driver's voice their opinions to form my own opinion. After-all, the drivers are the ones that have to deal with this rule.

 

I can't stop laughing really....

 

Did you even read my post that you quoted?

 

+1
I would wait to see what happens after the race. I guess the idea is to make Singapore like Monaco without the armcos .
This may actually work.

 

There are going to be a lot more crashes in the corners if one guy is being pushed off, nd must decide. Take my chances and hold my line, or go off and have to stop..." Sounds like a bad rule.
First corner schlamozzelas will park a third of the field for a few seconds.

Just wierd.

 

Oh oh and if other cars cut the chicane to they have to play a round of duck duck goose. Now I'll buy popcorn for that one. LOL

 

Too early to agree or disagree with you. I understand the reasoning behind your points especially on the first few laps, and I also believe I understand the thinking behind this rule, but I want to hear the driver's responses as they have to deal with this directly.

Consider, what if there was a safety barrier around the chicane, or any turn for that matter? Think Monaco, Valencia, Montreal, etc. Seems that most of the time these drivers avoid ramming the barriers because they know they will damage their car. Right? So why can't a modern F1 driver figure out how to take a chicane and avoid going off the track? When there is no run off, it is amazing how these drivers figure out how not to hit the safety barriers. They adjust their brake point entering the turn accordingly, so why not at at chicane?

The answer is probably because the driver knows there is a run-off and they can take chances knowing they won't hit anything. Or be penalized.

Maybe knowing there is such a penalty is the same as an imaginary safety barrier? I am wondering if that is the premise for this rule. And it does treat all cars equally.

Why is everyone assuming that these F1 drivers are so stupid that one after another they will go off at a chicane and rear end each other? I would think they are smart enough to adjust their driving to now not go off. These are the best drivers in the world......I think?

 

There's just too many variables....some of them very high speed variables and others, David Coulthard...for this rule to be safe.

 

Maybe this rule will offer more incentive for the drivers to stay on the track and not push their luck?

 

I'd criticise the decision on the grounds that the FIA changed/clarified the rule only a week ago and seemed to have a workable solution and now they are changing it again. Why? Was there something wrong with the 'no overtaking until after the next' corner rule? If so the FIA are to be criticised for bringing out a rule that didn't even made it to the next race before it was axed. I'd like to hear the FIA's reason for dropping it because it seems to me its replacement is a backward step.