DRS *possible spoilers*

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  1. E60 M5

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    Can someone explain why DRS is not enabled from the beginning of the race?? Why they wait these laps before enabling doesn't make sense to me.
    I guess they are waiting for the race to settle "in", but can't they just use yellow flags if there are accidents early on??
    For example, on the re-start today after safety car, Vettel would have easily passed Hamilton if he could have used DRS.
    It would add a level of excitement to the beginning of the races for sure.
     
  2. thirteendog

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    Gives the leader a chance to get away. Otherwise leading after turn one may be a huge disadvantage.
     
  3. TheMayor

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    #3 TheMayor, Aug 27, 2017
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    That's pretty simple to explain.

    In the beginning of the race the cars are all bunched together so its an unfair disadvantage for the people with the better starts.

    The idea of DRS is that when the cars settle into the race, a faster car from behind can catch and pass a slower car in front. The reason they can't pass is the turbulence destroys the downforce.

    So, its assumed if you can catch the guy in front to within 1 second, you should have been able to pass him if turbulence weren't a factor. And, the guy you pass can then try to pass you under the same rules if he's fast enough. In that way, its fair to both.

    It's artificial and a band aid but to some degree it does work -- which is why they keep it. Without it there would be a lot less passes and potentially more dangerous ones.
     
  4. thirteendog

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    Well said.
     
  5. E60 M5

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    I agree, however, the car being passed would also be in a position to DRS after being passed, correct.
    To me the disadvantage is given to the cars behind in the bad air, watching as those in front pull away. How is that a fair advantage?
    I think it would really spice things up to able to use it all race.

    Why not after safety car pulls in on restarts??
     
  6. william

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    The safety car already destroys the gaps the drivers have built with their competitors.

    Allowing DRS soon after a restart would be giving an advantage to those who weren't able to catch up before.

    It would be completely unfair, IMO.
     
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  8. vinuneuro

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    Exactly.
     
  9. daytona355

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    They will only change rules if it favours mercedes, or elton, they won't do it if anyone else is likely to benefit.
     
  10. DeSoto

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    As the pack is bunched, everybody but the leader would have DRS. The leader would be in serious trouble, but for the rest it wouldn´t make a difference.
     
  11. The Strad

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    Let's admit it, DRS is crap. Just like the "obliged" tyre changes.
    These are inventions to create the image that F1 is exciting.

    "Woow, he overtook, did you notice the difference of speed?"
    "He lost time in the pits"
    "Woow, he could go faster because of lapping an other driver, therefore he got DRS, how amazing"

    The guys who invented these tricks are frauds who slowly kill the sport.

    -Why would a driver take risks by overtaking, if there's a good chance that he'll overtake, by going faster whilst his opponent is changing tyres?

    -Why help someone, by enabling DRS, overtake if the driver doesn't have the guts (or technique) to do so without DRS? Since DRS is enabled from the moment that all drivers are driving with more than 1 sec from each other (=the DRS window), why giving DRS to someone who came within that "window"? Since he came closer, it logically means he is faster than the driver in front. So, if he's got balls, he' ll overtake.

    -If an engineer is more clever than others, and invent some technology that will make a driver finish a GP with one set of tyres only, why to HAVE to come in and change?

    -Do FIA believe they make F1 more exciting to watch, because of these tricks? Do they think we're morons?
     
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  12. Kiwi Nick

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    What the delay in activating DRS does is make the race a parade. Especially if the cars are very evenly matched, as with Seb and Lewis or Kimi and Val. Unless the following car has enough of an advantage to be very close the DRS is of little effect.

    Letting drivers use DRS from the first turn onward might make things a bit more exciting.
     
  13. E60 M5

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    Exactly. if your gonna have it use it!

    How many times have faster drivers like Lewis/Vettel started from the back for various reasons and made it to the front or close.
    Point is, if they are faster they will get there and stay there, imo.
     
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    I am not aware of any other competitive sport where someone whom is behind a leader is given an artificially created advantage to pass the leader, not on his merits, but because of an artificial alteration on his device.
    Can you imagine if a trailing basketball team is given the advantage of a 6" lower net for 30 seconds on his opponent? just to catch up?
    Can you imagine a golfer being given a stick-on extra weight on his driver to reach further ? just to catch up?
    Can you imagine a motorcycle racer being given permission to inject Nitrox in his engine during Isle of Mann just to allow him to pass the guy in front?

    Why do we have this stupid unfair advantage in F1?

    If the driver and/or the car can't pass the car in front, he deserves to stay behind. That's called competition.
     
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  16. DeSoto

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    Modern F1 cars are so sensible to dirty air that running ahead could be considered and unfair advantage.

    Although DRS is a crude and lazy solution, IMO.
     
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  17. maulaf

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    you are mistaking DRS with a video-game boost.
    The situation in F1 is that the car behind can be 1 to 2 seconds a lap faster but due to aerodynamics being affected not able to come close enough to the car ahead to attempt an overtake. The DRS is the not perfect solution to prevent the crap from 10 years ago when the average race featured 5 overtakes due to that...
     
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    DRS is just a way for them to manufacture excitement. Senna and Prost didn't need DRS. They needed superior cars and skill. They also had cars with real engines that sounded exotic.... not like leaf blowers.

    I can't wait to see the halo... another castration effort. And finally, we have gotten rid of grid girls. They have taken a sport that has, glamour, inherent risks, was designed around taking the best drivers, putting them in the best technical solution (given the rules), and may the best man win. It's not meant to be a PC, inclusive, perfectly safe, better not offend anyone crap show. But I'm afraid, that's what it is.
     
  19. SimCity3

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    They are keeping the DRS ban for first two laps so that Mercedes can retain their grid positions into the first corner.
    We can all then fall asleep
     
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    Reduce aero greatly, so cars can follow close!!
     
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    Transfer the F1 races to a nice new building in Europe, give each driver a state-of-the art F1 race video game set-up with surround screen, pedals, sound effect, and make them race each other. The public can sit in the audience and pay, or follow via Twitter, FB, whatsapp, web, whatever.....it would have the very same effect as current races. give the tracks back to each owner and open them to the public "a la" Nurburgrin.....lots of fuel saved, the tree huggers would be happy. 100% safe, and still same blahhh excitement as current races. fedex and truck companies would loose and lots of unemployed folks in the UK Germany and Italy....but $$$ saved. what about that F1 managers????
     
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    Doesn't DRS essentially remove the downforce?

    What effect is there on turbulence created by the car using DRS? Would a car with DRS activated have a better chance of passing a car with DRS also activated, i.e. does DRS remove the negative aerodynamics. Essentially allow each car to have two settings, available at anytime, much the same as KERS.
     
  23. TheMayor

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    You have it wrong. The DRS reduces drag at the back of the car. Turbulence reduces downforce on the front and underside of the car.

    Two completely different things. There is still downforce at the rear with the DRS open. It's just less but a lot less drag when you don't need it on a long straight.
     
  24. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    F1 have something similar, E Sports, at the moment just folks off the street competing ..but who knows this may well end up as F1 (USA style) https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/1/f1-esports-champion-brendon-leigh-real-world.html
     
  25. Kiwi Nick

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    Unfortunately, that is why so many races are over after the first three laps. The leader is the only car on the track that can lap in clean air. Since these cars are totally dependent on clean air to optimize aero efficiency, the leader has an unfair advantage that is protected until he can get clear of the field.

    Allow drivers to use DRS whenever and wherever they choose. Or, better yet, eliminate front wings. Bring back mechanical-grip over aero-grip.
     
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    FEBRUARY 16, 2018

    F1 needs DRS for now says Brawn


    Although no fan of the overtaking aid, Ross Brawn says 'DRS' is staying in formula one for now.

    Recently, Liberty Media bought defunct F1 team Manor's last wind tunnel model and began working on how overtaking chances can be improved for the future.

    Brawn, F1's sporting boss, said: "In the short term we will continue to work with DRS.

    "My hope is that the cars will develop to the point that we don't need it anymore, but in the near future that will not happen," he told Business Life.

    Brawn said that is because Liberty is determined to make sure any changes that are made are done right.

    "Before we can improve the racing, we need to thoroughly understand what's going on. We can follow our gut instinct, but that's not good enough when you think about how incredibly complicated these cars are," he said.

    Some believe the problem worsened in 2017 as the cars got considerably faster, and Brawn admits that F1 might need to take a step back with speed in the future.

    "Speed plays an important role and the fans want to see the fastest cars," he said.

    "But if we see a way to make the racing better, then I would be willing to sacrifice some speed."

    Brawn also said Liberty is considering dealing with the issue of having too many promoters wanting a race by introducing a kind of "league table".

    He explained that it would involve a "waiting list of top-class circuits and promoters that are waiting to get into formula one".

    "If there's any race that is not working well, you relegate that and put a strong race in."
     

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