Durable 1: Point Counterpoint

You're right so I wonder why in the world Kermit isn't tearing Paul a new one all over this board with his side of the story. If not now, at least back when Paul first brought all this up.

the silence is almost deafening

 

Mod's

Thanks for moving this to "Off Topic"

 

Paul~

All I have ever said to you, is to show proof of your claim against Kermit, and to date you have shown almost nothing but personal statements. You simply "claim" this, or you "claim" that. Kermit on the other hand has repeatedly shown his case with court papers between you and him. You want me on your side? Show PROOF, its that simple. Claims that are unsupported are meaningless.

You say this guys car is totalled? Have proof? You say his car was perfect before Matt got the car? Have proof? You say Matt falsely transfered a motor vehicle into his name? First off, if the claim of title transfer were true, Matt would have been found guilty of auto theft and end of story. As to claims of the cars condition, show proof. What YOU say, is not PROOF, Paul, thats the facts.

Now as to were Matt is, he has pretty much stopped hanging around here, you chew on him every time he posts anything or someone talks about anything he sells, and the moderators allow this to continue. But here we are again. You get told to shut up by moderators, so you start your own thread to bash him, and this is okay? Can everyone in Fchat now start bashing threads?? You claim he ruined your heads, but to date, have not shown proof they were not already corroded. Someone neutral was going to look at your heads, but that was the last we heard. Now, without proof any heads even belonged to you, I think any further discussion is moot. But why should Matt come in here anymore, obviously the moderators dont care how bad he gets attacked, how many times is he supposed to defend himself? If it were me, I would tell you all to go screw yourselves.

I dont think there is a buisness in the world that doesnt end up in court over a unhappy customer. I think if you looked at any buisness who associates with this forum, even the dealers, you could find disgruntled people, and liens on cars. Thats just the way life is. Maybe someone should look up court records against Sloan and post them here? Would that be fair? What a crock of garbage. All this crap is doing is ruining a good forum.

 

Paul
Firstly, this thread doesn't belong in technical, secondly a lot more people will see it in off topic...

 

Well, I happen to be an experienced attorney and it certainly appears that the Court accepted the plaintiff's version of the facts here as truth. If Kermit/Matt didn't get to present his version of the facts that's his screw up - he certainly would have had the opportunity to do so.

Kermit/Matt looks like a dirtbag (technical legal term) to me. Give Sloan a break, he obviously had a justifiably horrible experience with Kermit/Matt, similar to the plaintiff here, and those kind of experiences can be very trying on a person, particularly where it rises to a state of litigation. In my experience, where there is a prevailing plaintiff in a consumer case like this, there is usually a long string of other people who have also been similarly abused by the defendant. This is the very reason that most states allow double or treble damages for most types of consumer fraud.

Kermit/Matt probably does know how to fix a Ferrari pretty well. However, if he treats some customers, even if it's only a small portion, in the way that this plaintiff or Sloan has been treated then he doesn't deserve the privilege of doing business in the fair state of WA.

I think you proved your point here Sloan. I pity the person who's dumb enough, or just plain unfortunate enough, to trust dirtbag/Matt with their precious Ferrari.

 

Other than giving this guy his car back, where is there any evidence of proof the court accepted all of the plaintiffs claims? If Kermit had somehow got a title in his name through forgery, he would be in jail right now. Thats a fact! Clearly the copy of the title shown, says lien holder.

All this argument does is cause more questions, but instead of Slaon answering them, he sidesteps with attacks and inuendo. I asked questions earlier that have wholly gone unanswered. Kermit has responded several times, with court documents, to Sloans case, yet Sloan has not produced one convincing peice of evidence. The moderators fall silent. Now Sloan bring up this junk, and gives us half the information, instead of all of it, like he always does.

Until Sloan produces something tangible, beyond all of his wild claims, I will continue to question him. I think the very existence of a thread this ugly, this insidious, is a slap in the face of us enthusiasts. I don't think people should be able to just keep on bashing people without restraint. If this is the trend of Fchat, where we can all now go and start digging up court records to attack people, with cases that have no bearing on us personally, I think its a very sad day.

Every time I think of subscribing, I see this old vendetta of Sloans pop up. No matter what issue is discussed, he has to ruin one thread after another with his whiney BS. If you people moderating can not do something to stop this once and for all, I am out of here. I am 47 years old, and lived 46 of them without Fchat. I dont need to witness garbage like this in a forum that should have higher class people. If this thread is not pulled, and something done to stop further issues re: Kermit/Sloan, you can consider that act my resignation. Seriously, something should have been done a long time ago.

Sloan was warned in another thread that if he kept this going he would earn himself a ban. He was warned in other threads even farther back. Idle threats dont do much to control people.

 

The following post is my personal opinion only and in no way reflects the position of FChat, Rob Lay or any other moderators.

I am not a moderator in technical or off topic, but even if I was, I wouldn't be removing this thread. You and others have been demanding proof of claims being made, now it has been presented you are insisting on it's removal. Sloan was warned to EITHER put up OR shut up, NOT just to shut up as you have stated in your post.
You can't have it both ways.
I also think the public interest is better served in having these issues aired, even at the expemse of upsetting friends of matt/kermits.
The simple fact that the customer had to get a court order for the return of his vehicle in itself speaks volumes for matt/kermits conduct IMO, further this also seems to be not the first such complaint. Other potential customers should know what is/has gone on, so they can make an informed decision about having work done on their car. The measure of how good a company is, is not how they treat customers when all is well, it is how they deal with a customer when the proverbial hits the fan. What ever spin you try and put on this, it still isn't pretty.

 

Thanks for posting this info. I appreciate all your efforts to protect Fchatters and keep them safe.

 

Krowbar

People have been asking Paul for the details and here they are (well some of them at least, although I'd still like to see the judgements relating to these cases?)

The facts as Paul see's them are now public knowledge on Fchat, Kermit has the opportunity to respond to Pauls evidence in the same way that people looking for Ferrari specialists have access to this feedback

Paul (Sloan83QV) knows that this is the only post he should be posting this information in,

If he continues to Publicly attack Kermit he will be subject to having his posts moderated and his account banned (temp ban first followed by perm)

There is however nothing this site can do to prevent Paul from "informing" people off-line and that is a matter between Paul, Kermit and their legal representatives alone to sort out

 

B-lls--t.

That's been threated over and over and still he attacks.

I don't know Kermit and have done no business with him, but Paul's OCD issue with him has disrupted thread after thread after thread. Now he's bringing in an unrelated issue that seems to be a standard mechanic lien dispute to 'prove' his case. Personally, I don't care who's right, but this bang-bang-bang bunny crap has to stop. If anyone else was disrupting this many threads (especially in technical!) they would be banned as a troll.

EDIT: to clarify, I don't have any personal problem with Sloan. It's simply the constant, ongoing threadjacking that bothers me

 

Tillman, Pauls got this thread to ***** and moan in, if he does it anywhere else tell me and I'll pull the trigger

 

Yeah, we've heard that before. He's been ranting about this for years! Why not just publish a web page and link it in his sig?

 

Think Horsefly and 0846

 

Tillman
I don't agree.He has consistently been told to put up or shut up.
It is not standard practice to tranfer the title of a vehicle you do not own and this is very different to a workshop lien. Sloan/Paul has consistently warned others about Matt/Kermit and advised that proof would be provided, knowing full well what legal proceedings were on foot.maybe it's a case of the boy who cried wolf and he should have shut his trap until he had the proof at hand, but this doesn't change the public record facts that have been posted.
I along with many others, I believe, await Matt/Kermits clarification of what really happened here. It's not as if he's not been on FChat to see these posts either.

 

I can understand both sides of this thread. I have done business with Kermit and all he did was treat me well. He actually went little out of his way to see that I was back on the track the next weekend.
On the other hand I have been in Paul's shoes too. Speciality Automotive here in town kept one of my cars for nearly 7 months to swap engines. They never completed the job. The shop then flooded in a rain storm, taking my car under with it. The owner told me it was my tough luck and when I went to get the rest of my parts to my car he brought them out, walked past me and dumped them in a big mud puddle (I posted pictures here on Fchat). It ruined what little I had left and I never found all of them. I was not the only person he treated badly then, before or after. It is now my life's mission to tell as many people the TRUTH about that place.

Once that sort of thing happens to you...

 

If you're going to deliberately misread things, there's no point trying to speak with you. Off to the ignore list, along with Frank Parker. Congrats, you're only the third one there.

 

Sorry Chap but I didn’t move the thread,

I Pm'd you asking you to either put up or shut up, outlining what I think should be the grounds for a "name & shame" thread, i.e. documentation of a conviction or adverse judgement, I did this after receiving 4 complaints over you constantly disrupting threads with your issues with Durable1, I got involved as a moderator with no connection to either party.

You comment in the original thread is....
"oh the moderator is the one now testing your products for you……isn’t that interesting and another moderator sent you his BMW head, and we know what will happen if he annoys you now????"
Which I think could be misconstrued as a veiled allegation of bribery against the unnamed moderator(s).

you may want to relax your writing style as unfortunately you are coming over as a most vexatious and paranoid person who's posts only give rise to questions over who is right or wrong in your argument with Kermit, if you look at some public and rather “clear cut” cases (Michael Jackson etc) you’ll see that even though the evidence of wrong doing was overwhelming the accused wasn’t convicted due to the inane and constant ramblings of the witness’s

You have the opportunity within this thread to post ALL your evidence in your arguments with Durable 1, it also gives Kermit an opportunity to respond to your allegations and evidence, if he doesn’t respond people can draw there own conclusion about who was right or wrong. By attacking the moderators of this forum you are needlessly risking having that opportunity taken away.

 

Michael Jackson is a bad example