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Discussion in '348/355' started by ernie, Mar 7, 2012.

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  1. vvassallo

    vvassallo F1 Veteran

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    There is no reason to do a piggy back fuel controller unless you are, um, adding more fuel. Since we have not really undertaken an intake mod yet, this ground is yet to be covered. Believe me, I am still very much interested in an intake system redo. I firmly believe we've done all we can with the exhaust side. Once we figure out how we are goiong to get more air and fuel in, we'll look at piggy-backs. Hmm, how about a light turbo. Heh, I still love that idea. :D
     
  2. F355Bob

    F355Bob Formula 3

    I have a piggy back on my f355. With it you can change timing, add or take fuel out. Works very well and overrides stock computer.
     
  3. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    bob,

    what piggy back did you use?
     
  4. gothspeed

    gothspeed F1 World Champ

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    ernie, looks like Vince and I are ready for some hub dyno time :)! .......... Vince to show gains from 300 cell to 200 cell cats ...... and ...... I to get a baseline for a series of 355 upgrades I've had stewing in the cauldron for a while ......... so lets pick a day to do this ........ :D
     
  5. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Ernie when you do this let me know and ask church to book some extra time so one of his guys can tune my vette racecar on the other dyno while we are there.
     
  6. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Tuesday - Friday next week I have open. Just let me know what day you wanna do it Oz.

    Hey Chubba, I'm just taggin alone to observe. Call up Church's and book the tuning time.
     
  7. F355Bob

    F355Bob Formula 3

    Will check on what brand of computer was used. Allowed change of fuel and timing on dyno.
     
  8. gothspeed

    gothspeed F1 World Champ

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    Cool! I am available any of those days .......... lets see what Vince can do ....... :)
     
  9. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Let's see.

    Hey Cholo, what days are you good for?
     
  10. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    thursday friday
     
  11. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You are gonna have to book your tuning time, separate. I'm not sure what they charge, but I think it's something like $475 for tuning?
     
  12. F355Bob

    F355Bob Formula 3

    My car had two unichipQ+ computers piggybacked to the stock computers.
     
  13. Andi355

    Andi355 Formula Junior
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    #213 Andi355, Sep 21, 2012
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    Hi Ernie, here we go again:

    The following modifications were done:

    Race port work on the heads
    Lighter valves with stiffer springs
    hydraulic valve lifter changed into mechanical valve lifter
    High compression ratio pistons (race pistons)
    360 crank
    Race headers and exhaust without a bypass
    Motec ecu and a 10500rpm rev limit
    changed race cams
    Hi flow injectors
    Hi flow fuel pump
    Maps sensors instead of mafs
    Ported/bigger throttle bodies
    Light weight flywheel and race clutch

    3 cars have been tested on the dynojet:

    Red curve: Standart 355 GTB with sports exhaust (5.2 ECU)
    Blue curve: F355 Challenge with modifcations
    Green curve: original F430 Challenge

    Not too bad guys, what do you think ?

    Results is hp measured at the wheels !
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  14. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran

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    Awesome results! Where did you get the cams/lifters?
     
  15. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    WOW!!!

    Man you had to spin that thing up high! What rpm did you make peak hp?

    And, did you have to modify the 360 crank to get the gearbox transfer shaft to be able fit it? Pictures man, we need pictures. :D
     
  16. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Very nice. Is the Q+ plug and play or did you have to splice into the OEM wiring harness to tap into the various sensors etc?
     
  17. F355Bob

    F355Bob Formula 3

    I didn't do the install but I think the wiring was spliced into the existing so could use the stock sensors etc. My car was really running rich and alot of fuel was taking out in the mid range and really helped throttle response and power. Timing was slightly increased.
     
  18. Andi355

    Andi355 Formula Junior
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    The peak hp is about 9300 rpm.
    There is also a stronger gearbox transfer shaft installed.
     
  19. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I imagine it had to be custom made.
     
  20. gothspeed

    gothspeed F1 World Champ

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    Great freakin HP numbers on a dyno-jet Andi .... :D ........ great list of mods too .... :)

    Most of my dyno experience is on a dyno-jet ....... when using that velocity mode of illustration, the gear used will affect measured HP numbers a tiny bit .... the F430 will have a different ratio all together ........ but judging from the F430 plot ..... your 355 would be at about 470-480+HP at the crank :) .......... do you know what gear was used on the two 355 curves? I just want to know for gnats azz comparison if possible :eek: ....... thanks for sharing!!!
     
  21. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Little update.

    Last month I removed my custom exhaust system and bolt back on the stock junk, with a borrow stock single can. I did this to pass the Commiefornia smog test. A couple days after I passed the sniffer I redyno'd my car at Chuch's to see what the loss was. My peak hp dropped to 293, and peak tq was down to 229. But under the curve in the mid range I was down about -12.5 lb/ft tq. Above the curve I was down as much as -14hp at 7400rpm. Having said that, the torque simply dies after 7000 rpm in all the pulls, before and after.

    I talked to Shawn (owner of Church's) and he said the Dynapacks only have about an 8% drivetrain loss. Meaning that my full mods make roughly 332hp at the crank, and the stock exhaust single can system, with ported intake & tbs, makes 319hp at the crank.
     
  22. cbstd

    cbstd Formula Junior

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    Subscribing to this thread.

    Next time you have a group day at the dyno I want to know how much my little red car is making.
     
  23. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I'll let you know.
     

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