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E-type gurus, opinions please

Discussion in 'British' started by nathandarby67, Oct 25, 2010.

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  1. nathandarby67

    nathandarby67 F1 Veteran
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    Still haven't talked myself out of an E-type, so I'm doing the daily "market research" (said to wife in order to sound like serious, official work) to see what's what.

    I am not ready to buy yet, and don't want a 2+2, but thought this car looked nice. I am in the process of educating myself as best I can about these cars (again, serious business) and have read one book already and am halfway through the second. In other words, I have just enough knowledge to be dangerous. So when looking at this car, advertised as a 1967 Series 1 with a numbers-matching engine, I spot what appear to be Series 2 cam covers.

    Any ideas? Can Series 2 cam covers be swapped on to Series 1 engines? More importantly, why would someone do this? Even more importantly, how easy is it to fake an engine serial number? Are there any more discrepancies you can spot with the car?

    Let the education continue!

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  2. Simon^2

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    Do you need the back seats?

    The 2+2's are the wynonna compared to the standard coupes (ashley). The sexy lines of the E are lost on the bulbous 2+2...

    Only if you need the back seats...
     
  3. nathandarby67

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    No, as stated in my first post, I don't want a 2+2. Like you said, the lines just get ruined. The back seats would be nice now that I have a new baby here, but not nice enough to make me trade the coupe's gorgeous lines for the awkward lines of the 2+2. Besides, I have the Mondial for back seats!

    I was asking the question mostly to help myself become more familiar with these cars and their different variations. There are several folks here who seem to be very knowledgeable about the E-type. Who knows, in a few months I may come across that perfect Series 1 BRG/tan 4.2L coupe and it may have something screwy going on with its cam covers!
     
  4. Arvin Grajau

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    #4 Arvin Grajau, Oct 25, 2010
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    No issue replacing the cam covers,I've just done it,should cost about 300 to 400 dollars,get them polished before you have them put on.
    I've owned a few E's,IMO go for a series 1 4.2 FHC.
    This white car looks very tired,save the heartbreak and buy a better car.
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  5. msdesignltd

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  6. Arvin Grajau

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    spot on.
    A good all round car due to its brakes,fans is a series 2 4.2 FHC.
     
  7. nathandarby67

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    So they are interchangeable then. Have you ever seen Series 2 covers swapped onto a Series 1 engine before, as appears to have been done to this car?

    Exactly what I plan to do! My timeline is that I plan on buying no earlier than next summer, so between now and then I am trying to learn as much as I possibly can. Do you know of any good on-line resources other than britishcarforum.com?
     
  8. nathandarby67

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    Ouch! :)

    I happen to really like my Mondial, but the 2+2 jags just don't do it for me. I also have an MG Midget, so between that and the Mondial 2 undesirable cars is probably enough for me!
     
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    Nothing Personal,
    If you are looking from the bottom up it looks great, but once youve had it , it becomes the bottom and you want greater!
    Every Brand has its Edsel!

    I like the later Mondial Cabs, but they will not go down in history as collectors
     
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    +1 - heard this too.

    What's your budget? For $30K, you could get a nice S2 FHC. Granted, the aesthetics aren't as nice as the S1, you get the experience at a discount. F-Chatter Toggie had a sweet S2 that I wanted to obtain before I got my S1 roadworthy.

    I have a nice S1 driver, but it's hardly a show car. I am in total for about the same as that 2+2 you showed, and had Terry Lippincott - a Jag legend - work on the car.

    Watch for the obvious - rust for starters. The front subframe needs to be rust free and untouched from accidents, because it would otherwise need to be replaced.

    Like any older car, a PPI is recommended, but these are still more backyard friendly than newer cars unless you have to replace the clutch or crank rope seal...then you more or less need "engine out"!
     
  13. Arvin Grajau

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    photos above are of my car a series one 4.2 roadster.
     
  14. nathandarby67

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    I can't comment on Doc's workmanship, but just from scanning their ads and comparing his listings to cars on ebay, craigslist, and Hemmings it seems a lot of his prices are quite "optimistic".

    Heck of a selection, though.
     
  15. nathandarby67

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    No exact budget, but I do want a nice Series 1 FHC. Needs to be a nice driver or better, I have enough projects to keep me busy for the better part of a decade so no needy cars.

    Given that I am pretty honed in on a Series 1 FHC, what kind of range do y'all think they are actually changing hands for these days?
     
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    Great link....thanks! I can't believe I haven't come across it before. Will definitely give me enough reading material for tonight!
     
  17. 2NA

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    1967 was a transition year, it's possible that the cam covers are original but certainly not desirable. The price is definitely "all the money" for a 2+2. The color isn't the most desirable either.

    An Etype is a great car but you are wise to enter carefully. The cars are fairly well documented by the factory. There is likely a good club near you and perhaps a freelance historian that can keep things honest.
     
  18. f308jack

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    There's a long out of print book by Haddock that describes changes to the E from its' inception to the end. A well researched book with great detail, but you'll have to pay dearly for it if you find a copy.

    The ribbed cam-covers may very well be original, they were introduced in '67, and the ones fitted to these cars are relatively rare and won't fit the later engines. Also, they had the Jaguar logo cast into them, unlike the later covers that were stickered.
     
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    #19 Arvin Grajau, Oct 26, 2010
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    I've got 3 good books on the E.
    Next year I'm told a book on all the lightweight cars is being printed,can't wait.
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    I bought a car from Doc years ago, I wouldn't buy a lawnmower from him now. An absolutely horrible experience. PM me if you'd like the details.
     
  21. 2NA

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    I can't recommend Doc's. I've seen more than one "fright pig" come from there.

    Some years ago a customer bought what looked like a nice shiny XK140 from Doc for top dollar (don't remember how much). He brought the car in to look at the suspension as it appeared that the ride height in the front wasn't the same on each side. Once the car was up in the air the problem was apparent.

    The bodywork was severely rotted away (resulting in some uneven settling) and the car had been "restored" using a liberal application of fiberglass and bondo. He had paid at least twice what the car was worth. He returned the car and after some hassle was given "store credit" that he used to buy a rather sad looking Etype. Doc definitely got the best part of that deal.
     
  22. mcimino

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    Might have a number matching engine block and just the head was replaced...or just cam covers. The carb oil caps certainly don't match and the air box snorkel was painted black for some reason (maybe to hide patchwork). I'm just not that impressed with the condition of that engine compartment.

    Sounds like you've done your homework, so you know the most desirable and best looking models are late '64 - early '67....covered headlights, synchromesh gearbox. Stick to those if you can. Best thing about E's are they're nut and bolt cars... parts are pretty easy to find online and with a good tool set you can replace most components in your own garage if you're mechanically inclined.
     
  23. 95spiderman

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    dont know anything about docsjags but omg the light blue series II with tan int/roof is easily one of the most beautiful cars i have ever seen! all time magnificent.
     
  24. f308jack

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    For those who are interested in some first-hand info on Doc's, look it up on jag-lovers.org
     
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    I wish I had. Nice "new" tires.
     

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