http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages/articles/articles_07.html VERY interesting history behind 3223 there.. I almost say we start a new thread to deal with it all. -Chris
As suggested by Chris in his post in the "Ones that got away" I wanted to start a new thread on the history of 3223. One point I wanted to make is one inaccuracy of the GTO article reference in this link. http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages/articles/articles_07.html For some reason the article leaves out the ownership of 3223 in 1962 of Bob McKelvy, the owner of Scuderia Bear Racing Team. In this previously posted it shows that McKelvy bought 3223 in July of 62 http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3223GT.250GTO.htm Mr Mckelvy eventually sold 3223 to Bob Grossman in September of 63. Bob Grossman also raced for Scuderia Bear. I have been lucky enough to scan in a number of vintage shots of 3223 in action including the Nassau races referenced in the Johnstarkycars article. Attached are some images from back then. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Can someone please give more of a history of Scuderia Bear? Any relation to current-day "Scuderia prancing teddy." Attach - pic of a 250 PF coupe Image Unavailable, Please Login
Actually, in that photo, the Scuderia car is the white 250 GT in the background. Here is what I know of Scuderia Bear. It was a private racing team in the 60's owned by Bob McKelvy. He started out with an Abarth, graduated to the white 250 GT, purchased the 250 GTO in 62, sold that then I am not sure in what chronological order, campaigned a 250 LM, and a 250 P. Scuderia also raced a 427 Cobra, a "Genie Cobra", a Lola Mk6, a 1966 Gt40 (chassis 1029) which crashed in practise. The car was so severly damaged, Bob hired a local farmer to bury the car in a field. I'm not sure when he stopped racing. Mr McKelvy did have the priveledge to have owned and raced some astounding vehicles. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
This is an interesting thread. Last night, I took apart my yellow 1/12 diecast 250 GTO with the intention of sandblasting and painting it in a different color. I decided I wanted to redo it in a historically significant scheme, and when I started researching them this evening, I learned that Phil Hill had driven a 250 GTO at Sebring. I met Mr. Hill and Mr. Scaglietti at the 2001 FCA meet in Dallas - I worked a the host hotel, and that weekend is what turned me into a Ferrari geek. From a personal standpoint, the ideal choice is to redo my 1/12 model in the livery of Mr. Hill's car from the '62 Sebring race. I was under the impression that it was 3387 that Mr. Hill drove at Sebring, but after reading this poster's thread, I am a little confused - was it 3223 or 3387?
hi guys now i too am confused as barchetta does not list phil hill as a driver they too clearly feel its the second gto what proofs are there to either agree or have this corrected
Nunzio (i assume that is your name?), if you were wondering who sold the car to Japan: http://www.euro-classics.com/sold.html The Japanese text underneath translates to: You sell to the Japanese client in 1993. Before the conveying to the Japan, 1994 pebble beach/it participates in the opening event with モンタレー including somewhat the list ration. Presently location to Japan. ~Chris
Sorry, I wasn't really paying attention. First of all the photo above (below, depending on your settings) shows 3223GT in Sebring 23/mar/63. This entry has sometimes been falsely listed as 3387GT. Phill Hill's ride in Sebring 24/03/62 was 3387GT. Best wishes, Kare
Nunzio, I have been looking for verification, and I found this at Phil Hill's website. It lists him as driving 3387 at Sebring 1962, and by 1963, when 3223 was apparently raced at Sebring, Hill was driving for Shelby. Phil Hill's page lists his 62 Sebring entry # as 24, and chassis number 3387. http://www.philhill.com/pdf/phil_hill_record.pdf For reference. Barchetta's 3223 page http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3223GT.250GTO.htm Barchetta's 3387 page http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3387GT.250GTO.htm What color is 3223 today? And welcome to FerrariChat!
Does 3223/GT still have the original engine? Do you have copies of build sheets? What is the engine number? Best wishes, Kare
due to the prestige level of the vehicle the best in the world were brought in to verify, audit , document and physically inspect every single aspect prior to purchase yes it is spot on yes i have everything the actual owner should posess it is red
Thank you for answering all of our questions. We certainly appreciate it. Is there any way that you would be able to post some pictures when you have a spare minute?
Y'all can do what you want, but nunzio828 did start a thread just for 3223. If Wayne gets a minute, he can move the posts on 3223 over there.
It would still be very interesting to find out the engine number, which has not been reported "in the open" so far, neither have the build sheets been in circulation. As you may know, the factory mechanics seem to have picked up one block here and another block there to be built as racing engines. Maybe they selected particularly good blocks by some unknown criteria. This also explains why GTO-engine numbers seem quite random. Best wishes, Kare
i don't believe you are the guy i am searching !!! are you : 04/nov - J.B., PA, USA - paid $10.6mio via Gizzi/.../.../Hamilton ? if yes i have a lot of informations for you (plates, race #, dates, .......)