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Discussion in 'F1' started by TheMayor, Jan 3, 2012.

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  1. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Here's my easy ways to fix the sport:

    1) Get rid of launch control. Make the driver's rev the engine and control the wheel slip. The race order will be more diverse heading into the first corners.

    2) Get rid of the 3 quali sessions. Let back markers screw up race strategies and force drivers to get their top times when they get a chance for a clear track rather than waiting for the checker flag to drop. More screwed up starting orders means more passing and interesting starts and races.

    Both are easy to do and both would bring back more variations in race starts.
     
  2. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    So 1 qualy session?

    Id take out the paddles and put in a 3rd pedal as well. Force em to drive more. Bring back fuel stops and limit telemetry. Put in a gas guage as well! :)
     
  3. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    "You can't please all the people all the time......"

    - They haven't had LC (or TC) for, IIRC, at least the past 5-6 seasons.

    - I think the 3 qualy sessions is working great! Definitely don't want a return to watching an empty track for an hour like it used to be..... As for messing up strategies, they all seem capable of doing that by themselves. ;)

    - Refueling I'm easy either way; Not having it does save one 747 cargo plane load at the fly-aways.

    - Return of the 3rd pedal? No thanks! They're already controlling a whole mess of stuff from the wheel and a clutch pedal & shifter is just a distraction IMO.

    I honestly believe we're in a pretty good period of F1 right now. Even the tail end Charlies are, overall, pretty darn close but do get in the way on occasion.

    I believe they've tweaked the tire regs next season; No need to be saving 'em in qualy, which is another step in the right direction.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  4. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    They did away with TC why not flappy paddle gear boxes. World will still turn.
    They control the car with the wheel. Thats the distraction not a 3rd pedal actually forcing them to drive. Today we hire PR VP's who drive. Time to hire actual drivers again in my opinion. The tech is, in itself a distraction.
    Give em a manual gearbox. No different than losing TC.
     
  5. RP

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    F1 is technology, so the spirit of advancing technology must prevail.

    Having said that, I would like to see the return of fuel stops. I like the 3 qualifying sessions, more for safety than anything else.

    What I would really like to see is real passing. Which means getting rid of 65% of the current circuits, and eliminating large wings. It may also mean some form of limited wheel enclosures.
     
  6. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    +1

    Limiting aero is the only logical next step, that way we'd see more scraps. The no more defending rule will suck ass though.
     
  7. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Would be nice if something radical did change. We post here is it more the car or the driver. I say make it more the driver. Tech has its limits. Manual gearboxes do still exist even on some of the finest road/sports cars. So why not in F1. That change alone would make for a more dynamic and unpredictable racing environment. Along with the changes you advocate I think it would be fun to watch.
     
  8. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    You can still defend!..... You just then have to stay off the racing line! [Potentially till the end of the race if Florian is to be believed ;)]

    "Limiting aero" - Smaller wings? Maybe, but I dunno if it would work - Seems the TWG goes round and round on this and the DRS was the best they could come up with. As we know, we're exactly divided down the middle on it - Again, can't please everyone.

    I certainly hear what you're saying, and wouldn't object if they did mandate fully manual 'boxes & clutches. OTOH, as noted, F1 is about hi-tech (albeit severely limited these days) and that's a lot of the appeal, at least to me..... Another one of those arguments I can come at from both sides - I don't want Formula Libre (the biggest spenders win) but can argue that they should be allowed to "just go at it!"

    The day they cover the wheels is the day I stop watching BTW - Sticky-out wheels is the very soul of F1 IMO.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  9. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    So a quick short list:

    -Lesser aero (put car in tunnel, at 250km/h it can have a maximum downforce level of xyz)
    -bigger tires, keep the Pirelli formula
    -free engine design, as long as it's normally aspirated
    -x liters of fuel to be used during race
    -mechanical differentials which can be adjusted in pit only.
     
  10. Bas

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    Nope, just free design, X amount of downforce at speed X. Sorted.
     
  11. jm3

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    .....just getting started:


    Throttle pedal attached to throttles via cable. If you want a "blown diffuser", do it yourself.

    "wing-in-a-box", just like DTM. The front and rear wing can be any "extruded aka 2D" design you want, as long as it fits into a box of , for example: 180cm wide x 80cm deep x 80 cm high.

    Front and rear wings the same dimension (maybe). Rear wing set directly above rear tires, not behind, to reduce aero effect on the following car.

    An even flatter floor.

    No stupid turbos.
     
  12. rotaryrocket7

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    How about more tech, I miss the days when 3+ cars wouldn't finish the race due to mechanical failures
     
  13. Blulagos

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    Wider track, shorter wheelbase. It would make the cars prettier as well and give them more mechanical grip in the corners.
     
  14. tifosi12

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    - Reversed grid based on WDC positions replacing the qualifying
    - Sprinkler system with a simulated weather forecast for tracks without chance of rain
    - No penalties for rough driving
     
  15. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ
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    It depends of what "better" means.
    To me its closer racing and more manufacturer efforts with a corresponding piece of the pie.
    Most here would not like my list.
     
  16. tatcat

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    add an additional day for testing. i'd like thursday. free admission with a raceday ticket. chance to let new drivers run and check out developments on the cars.
     
  17. S Brake

    S Brake F1 World Champ

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    Get rid of DRS, makes it seem contrived.
    Quit changing the rules so darn much.
     
  18. spirot

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    1. Completely parallel flat bottoms - no diffuser. Exhausts have to exit in round pipes at the end of the body work - perpendicular to the ground.
    2. Bring back large wings
    3. Moveable aero - alowed, however surface area controled
    4. Alow ducted fans for down force
    5. Open engine regs... max cylinders up to 18. normal aspiration 1.5 L
    6. All cars must run on commercial pump fuel
    7. Front wings limit chord of wing and end plate size.
    8. Restrict overhead air scoops... no high pressure intake
    9. Friday Qualifying - aggregate times Fri & Sat to determine grid
    10.Alow teams to run as many cars as they like, but to gain points you have to field the same number of cars for the season.
     
  19. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    What about the brakes? Today's F1 brakes (carbon ceramic, isn't it?) allows the drive to brake as late as possible. What about steel brakes? At least it allows some ballsy moves :p
     
  20. Isobel

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    Predictability of the outcome is what needs to be targeted.

    To that end, ban rev limiters. More mechanically related dnfs would be welcome.

    Not a fan of pit lane rev controllers either. Drivers should monitor their own speed in the pits. Pay the consequences if the cut is too close.

    Tailenders using base engines should be granted a lighter weight limit to make them more competitive.
     
  21. Whisky

    Whisky Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Redo the DRS. Why must it work in only certain areas of the track, and only in certain situations?

    Have three or four - or all qualifying sessions open to ALL cars.
    One reason the backmarkers STAY backmarkers is if they don't get out of Q1, they don't get the track time the guys get that make it to Q2 and Q3.
     
  22. JazzyO

    JazzyO F1 World Champ

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    Drop insane ticket prices by 75% and bring back the hordes!! We need bodies on the stands. It's starting to look like a bloody Monday at Fiorano out there. I don't know about you but it lessens my enjoyment even when just watching TV.


    Onno
     
  23. JazzyO

    JazzyO F1 World Champ

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    I thought this was a silly suggestion but thinking about it, it makes sense. This could actually have the same effect as reducing the aerodynamics, allowing cars to slipstream all the time if they're in 'the zone'. Since design changes would be necessary, this would make it easy to implement. The only additional advantage of reducing aero is the lower corner speeds, which I think would be a good thing. We can't always keep increasing the speeds, one of the reasons we saw so many passes in the past was because the speeds were lower and people had more time to pick a gap.


    Onno
     
  24. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    F1 brakes are just carbon, no ceramic added. Carbon ceramic is the tripe added to the roadcars which make the owners think they've got real F1 tech on their car, thus have more to sprout about to insignificant others at their local starbucks. :p

    Much better would be to have two piece monobloc brakes as an option instead. But then it wouldn't make them enough money since they're not 40K to replace.
     
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