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Ebay auction for 308/328 supercharger kit

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  1. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

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    Help me get this thing finished! https://gofund.me/39def36c
  2. AJS328

    AJS328 F1 Veteran
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    Damn! I can't imagine my car having that much power! $19k is a little stiff though.
     
  3. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    the price is insane, You can get a 308 beater for $20k
     
  4. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

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    It is a bit high...but that is also why there aren't a lot of hopped up 308s around. I think I have about 8 or 9k in parts in my system plus about 250 hours to build it, so even at $40/hr, that's 10k in labor, that brings it to 18k. It sure looks like there is a lot less labor in this system than mine, but the parts are about the same. Someone on the other thread said the shop that built it charged about 12k for it, that sounds right to me...18 is a second mark-up from the builder to the seller I'd guess.

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22276
     
  5. etip

    etip Formula 3

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    They say "run with a 355". Well, $30K for a 308, $20K for the kit, if someone installs it, say $10K. Dang, just buy a 355.
     
  6. vince308

    vince308 Formula 3

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    stupid, just buy another recent Ferrari for that price.
     
  7. ExcelsiorZ

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    I see guys are asking why spend $20k to supercharge a 308? Years ago, people asked why spend money to keep up these old cars. Those “old cars” were then Mercedes Gullwings and California Spiders and 250 GTOs. What’s so special about the 308? It and the 246 are arguably the prettiest Ferraris made since the 250 series cars some 40 years ago. They were the last pure design Ferraris. Back then, the late Pinin Farina designed a body for a chassis. The artists' hand was free to create rolling sculpture. Not so any more. Now, there are European and American laws which dictate design restrictions. Equally detrimental to the artists’ activities, there is a massive wind tunnel at Ferrari. So now the artists’ hands are tied. Their crisp lines are shaved off in the wind tunnel. Their designs must conform to numerous laws enacted by many different countries. In sum, the 308, particularly with its appropriate bumpers (e.g., Euro Bumpers not those massive things stuck on for US DOT) and a QV deep front spoiler, is one of the prettiest cars EVER made. There will never be another one like it, thanks to legislation and “efficiency”. Now, they didn’t make just a few of these cars. If they’d made only a dozen or so they’d be million dollar icons. Because they made so many (by Ferrari standards), tuning them is not so frowned upon. The 355 and 360 are tweaked to their limits. On the other hand, the beautiful 308 is well below its limits. The supercharger kit on Ebay is not just a supercharger. It’s a new electronic fuel injection system, a direct fire ignition system, a liquid intercooler and radiator and a twin screw supercharger. Basically, the entire engine is modernized from 70s technology to contemporary technology. The problem with the 308, and all V8 Ferraris, is a lack of low end torque. Its this torque that moves you in and out of traffic and shoves you into your seat. It’s the feeling that your car responds directly to your input. The supercharged 308 produces more torque than the 355. Probably more torque than a 360. So, if you buy a Ferrari 308 for $25-35k (the price of a Nissan), you have one of the best looking cars in the world . However, just about every performance economy car will out run you to the next traffic light! With a supercharger, you have looks and go. Personally, I like blowing past M3 and Corvette drivers and seeing the disbelief on their faces. So, if you buy a 308 to pose (gold chain set or not), then a supercharged 308 is not for you. If you want to shell out $90k+ for a less attractive 355 that is expensive to maintain and has no trunk, go for it. If you want to shell out $200k for a 360, more power to you. But if you want a car that is cheap to maintain, simple to work on, has a large trunk, will not depreciate (355 and 360s are depreciating!) and is one of the prettiest cars EVER made, more so than either the 355 or 360, and you want it to move like a rocket, supercharging your 308 is the ONLY way to go.
     
  8. Slim

    Slim Formula 3

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    Yes. And they were also the last Ferraris without all sorts of fancy-pants computerized engine "management" this and that. I think some people actually like that simplicity, that purity, even if it means the 308 can't keep up with modern machines.
     
  9. pizzadude

    pizzadude Formula 3

    Feb 20, 2001
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    A 308 has a large trunk?? Large is not the word that comes to mind when I look at mine.
     
  10. pmoo.com

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    Well said, I totally agree with you on the design point of view. I would like to add a few more things about the design. Nowaday, it even worse, not only the laws restrict the design but also the marketing. Before each models is designed the number of cars to be sold is projected. And the look of the car has to favour those market out there that will buy the car in great number. They might as well let their marketing team design their cars. And, that's how the new 612 Scagletti and the 550 were designed. They are the ugly Ferrari ever. If it was not the Enzo, those two would destroy the legend of Ferrari completely.
     
  11. wrecktech

    wrecktech Formula Junior

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    Excellent points ExcelsiorZ. I think that supercharging is a great update making it what may have been built today if the laws were different. I think, at least for me, that the Mondial Cabriolet is the perfect choice. It is beautiful and with a supercharger it gives 288 GTO performance for what $60k maybe for a nice car and upgrades. I think for my dollar that is the best deal. The 308/328/Mondial cars give you 3 body styles and all are pretty affordable. I am looking for the ideal candidate and it will probably be an everyday summer driver. I have read 2 threads on this site and one member got his for less than $10k and the other paid $20,500. There are many nice ones in the $20k - $30k range. If you buy one today and supercharge it 3 or 4 years down the road when prices for the kits drop a bit how can you go wrong? To me it comes down to what would I rather have a new $60k car or the Ferrari. I must say that I really like the Maseratis now but too much technology. Too much associated costs. How much are the computers? Thanks to everyone for all the knowledge I have gained from this board. Quality place and great source of info.
     
  12. Jdubbya

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    All the things he said (and I agree with most of it) and that's all I was thinking too....did he just say the trunk is LARGE? If it wasn't another 20K plus I'd be in line tomorrow for one of these systems. More power is the only thing these cars are lacking IMHO, well that and windows that roll down all the way and faster, a fuse box that doesnt' work intermittently, an air conditioner that works........Gotta love these beasts. I said it before and I'll say it again it's the biggest pain in the a** and the most fun I've ever had in one car all at the same time!!
     
  13. enjoythemusic

    enjoythemusic F1 World Champ

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    To those who love the 308 i humbly bow to you :)
     
  14. barcheta

    barcheta F1 Rookie

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    can I get an amen?!?!
     
  15. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

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    I took some time today an put together a parts list for the most basic system I could. I think a package that would deliver about 330-350 crank hp on a QV could be done for $9000. For a 2vi, the price would be the same, but the hp would be about 280-300, adding early car cams would being it up to the QV hp. It would be a fairly straight forward install, I guess 10-15 hours. It would be a side mounted supercharger similar to the ebay set up.

    Adding distributorless ignition and sequential fuel injection would add about $1500 and maybe give you a slightly smoother idle.

    Adding an intercooler would increase the hp to as high as 425-450, but would add about 3k to the price and you will really need to think clutch upgrade too.

    If there is any real interest, let me know.
     
  16. MRFOTOS

    MRFOTOS Karting

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    Maui, Hi
    Mark, did you ever get your car on the Dyno to see what you were realy getting out of the engine after all the hard work and exlnt fotos you posted on your experience?
    like to also know if you did a base run to see where you started at.

    Thanks

    Mark
     
  17. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

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    Mark,
    No dyno yet. I don't have a base run, but all the QVs I seen are all around 195 rwhp stock. The old blower made 304 rwhp, so I guess that is my base.

    The reason I haven't run it yet is that I still do not really trust the car. Looking back, I have to say that this has been the worst project I have ever done in my entire life. It is almost inconcievable to me how it is possible for so many things to to wrong. I have been struggling with a mixture problem since I got it running and to date I have found and repaired 8 or 10 separate problems and confirmed an improvement, but I still have a problem....I don't even know what the odds are that nearly ever compontent in the whole fuel/air system could be defective or somehow mismatched, but that's what has happened. I've got some more tuning to do today, but it looks like everything is working right with the exception of 1 cylinder that is lean at very low power....I can't find a vaccuum leak at that cylinder(althought that was one of the problem that has already been fixed), I'm going to move the fuel injector to another cylinder and see if the problem follows it. It drives fine, but I need to run the other cylinders at a fuel/air around 13:1 so the problem child stays running...I'll find it.

    It's almost funny really. When I did the first system, the car started on the first attempt and I drove it 80 miles home from the shop the next day. I only ever had 2 problems. One, for some reason I had 3 fuel injectors would fail over a 1 month period at about 6600-6800 rpm and full throttle , I changed brands and that was the end of that. The second problem was that after about 3k miles, the manifold developed a couple cracked welds....I rewelded it and added a support braket and put another 12k or some on it over years. It just worked perfect, the whole car really.

    But during this project all kinds of just bizare stuff has gone wrong to delay me....The key jammed in the ignition, the clutch, broke a parking brake cable, battery, gas gauge (yes I had to walk for gas), speedo sensor, and on and on . List of of stuff actually part of the project is unbelievable.....
     
  18. wrecktech

    wrecktech Formula Junior

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    *Understanding Engineers - Take Seven*

    "Normal people believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet"

    Keep me in mind on the supercharger system I have a real interest and am looking for the project car right now. I think that adding distributorless ignition and sequential fuel injection to give you a slightly smoother idle is worth the extra about $1500. After a year or so if 350 was not enough add the upgrade clutch and the intercooler. $12k for the benefits of supercharging is a good deal. I think that 350hp would be enough at least for me. Keep it somewhat simple. I got the above quote off the Purdue Rivals board and hear the engineer jokes all the time.
     

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