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EBAY: I want the truth!

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Darkhorse575, Feb 2, 2006.

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  1. Darkhorse575

    Darkhorse575 Formula Junior

    Mar 20, 2005
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    Pasadena, CA
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    DJ
    What really happens when a car is listed on ebay, gets several bids and the final bid is less than fair market value. I sorted the Ferrari listings by time remaining and several cars have no bids and some have bids pretty close to what they are worth but still priced at a considerable discount.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-RED-TAN-360-SPIDER-6-SPEED-3KMI-LOADED-PERFECT_W0QQitemZ4607458540QQcategoryZ84156QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


    Is this 360 really going to change hands for $60-$80K less than typical asking prices? Or is the dealer going to pull the listing in the last hour?
     
  2. 4za

    4za Formula 3

    Feb 18, 2005
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    Most of the auctions on eBay for cars are auctions that have a reserve price (like the 360 in the link). If the reserve price has not been met, then the car will not sell. This auction the car has not met the reserve, so a "reserve not met" is listed by the auction.

    There are auctions that are listed as "no reserve" auctions. If this is the case, the car will sell for the price listed at the end of the auction.

    Hope this helps.

    -Tom
     
  3. Darkhorse575

    Darkhorse575 Formula Junior

    Mar 20, 2005
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    Thank Tom. Is there a no reserve section in ebay?
     
  4. BT

    BT F1 World Champ
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    Mar 21, 2005
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    There is no way to see if the auction is a 'no reserve' auction unless they advertise it in the listing header. There are many shady practices on Ebay such as shill bidding, id theft, non existent items for sale, duplicate auctions, and the list goes on. If you are even thinking about buying a big ticket item off an ebay 'auction', you should read as much as possible about the process before hand. Ebay and their sister company Paypal are about as useless as tit$ on a bull if you need help after you get defrauded. Trust me. I found out the hard way.
    BT
     
  5. sherpa23

    sherpa23 F1 World Champ
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    May 28, 2003
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    You can tell if it's reserve or no reserve but looking next to the current bid. If there's a reserve, you will see "reserve not met" or "reserve met" in blue letters. With no reserve, there will be nothing.
     
  6. teachdna

    teachdna Formula Junior

    Sep 1, 2001
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    Jeffrey Robbins
    As has been said many times on this forum, Ebay is a great way to get cheap nationally (and internationally) based advertising for your car. But it's a wide-open, raw market and for buyers who are unable or unwilling to exercise due diligence, it's a pit for their money.

    There are great buys on Ebay for the knowledgeable buyer but it's not a market for the uninformed or lazy buyer.

    I've bought many, many items on Ebay as have many people on this board- and not gotten burned- but I've also walked away from deals that had a bad smell.

    I'd say, all told, I've spent well over $100K on Ebay (no, never bought a car) and am very satisfied with all purchases.

    If you'd like to see a well thought-out ad by a reputable seller, take a look at:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-NAIA-Show-Car-Check-out-the-description-inside_W0QQitemZ4607740687QQcategoryZ6290QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    This is an ad by a F-chat member. There's no way you can get national exposure like that in one of the major car mags that reach the target audience. Yes, there's always Autotrader, etc but look at all the info on the Ebay ad. It's a great tool but that's all it is: you're on your own when you use it!
     
  7. wcelliot

    wcelliot Formula Junior

    May 7, 2004
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    Bill
    teachdna has it right, but I should also mention another tact used by some less than honest sellers.

    Sometimes they will run a "no reserve" auction and either (1) pull it before it ends if the price isn't high enough...some say "item advertised locally and subject to local sale", (2) have alternative Ebay id's where they shill bid the price up (evidenced by a large number of very low feedback buyers...often with "fresh" id's.. bidding on an expensive item, or (3) holding a "private" auction where you can't see the id's of those bidding against you.

    (I actually had a dealer tell me by phone that he was doing #3... after I turned down his offer to stop the auction early, I said "I'll take my chances with the no reserve auction"... he laughed and said "do you really think I'll let the car go for less than I offered it to you? It will end up at or above that price.")

    WAY more car transaction close due to the advertisement angle of Ebay than ever close ON Ebay.

    Bill
     
  8. richard_wallace

    richard_wallace Formula 3

    Feb 6, 2004
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    Richard Wallace

    Hey that ad looks familar (thanks Jeff for the nice compliment).

    Jeff is correct - I had ads in Dupont, Autotrader, Collector car trader - I had about 3 calls in 2 months (people just looking - no real buyers).

    In less than 1 week with the ebay add - I have had 10 calls - 2 of which I believe are somewhat serious. I do not expect to sell the car on ebay at all - it is more generating calls. It would be a big surprise to me if someone clicked the buy it now without calling about it or wanting to see it, discuss it, etc.

    It is a great tool for exposure for sure - overall the ad cost about $65 bucks which is about the same as putting it in Dupont or another site/mag.

    Rich
     
  9. NYCFERRARIS

    NYCFERRARIS Formula 3

    Mar 2, 2004
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    from bidders who sellers know are interested in cars...helps them develop a very targeted mailing list they then rent out. Also helps out with dealership traffic and the weak dollar might sucker in a off-shore buyer, sad to say. Our sports cars, esp. our ferraris are very cheap relative to their markets. Ebay is very dangerous place for cars..too easy to pass off accident damaged cars, yes, even with car fax.
     

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