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  1. copterjon

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    I posted my 348 seats on fleabay last night and when I woke this morning to check my email I got a message from them telling me the removed my post.
    Apparently they were unhappy because I used the line: "This item is for sale locally and I reserve the right to end the auction early"
    I have had that in my auctions for years and now all of a sudden I get this crap. Is this something new the fleabay gestapo has implemented just like all the mandatory shipping garbage you have to try and figure out.
    I wouldn't be so outraged if they allowed me to relist the item with that line removed but they won't. Do ya suppose I'm going to get charged the listing insertion fee of $24.00?
    Has anybody else come across this before? I'm frigginn pissed, I need to sell these seats soon. BTW, they are also on Ferrariads.com but it seems nobody is looking for any there.
    Sorry for the rant, I'm just really disgusted. :(
     
  2. Ricambi America

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    John -

    I hear ya! I once got an ad removed because my flat rate shipping ($5.00) was deemed too high !! eBay sucks, and sucks really hard. The sun is setting on their little fiefdom.
     
  3. zippyslug31

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    Used to be a fan of ebay but, besides their silly rules, they are WAY too greedy!!!!

    Now I tend to use craigslist since it costs nothing and you typically don't have to screw with shipping.
     
  4. 285ferrari

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    John if they removed the ad then you will not be charged the listing fee. Why won't they let you relist with a different wording of your ad? I would try it and see what happens.... I have had listing removed for putting my website info within the ad. On the flip side I have another ad that I have been relisting for over a year with the website name and they have yet to catch that one.
     
  5. Brian Harper

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    I like that they pulled the ad. The auction is supposed to be a legally binding sale. If I win you expect me to pay, right? If I said, "Oh, I reserved not pay if I found another car locally," that wouldn't quite fly, would it? But if I win you can just say "Oh, I sold it locally, sorry," for whatever reason and I get nothing. It's gotta go both ways. Either it is for sale at auction or it is not. EBay is trying to keep their site as an auction and not as an advertising site, and (for once) I agree with them.
     
  6. zero

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    I concur with that, ebay are getting a royal pain in the arse. Also while on the subject so is Paypal who have the monopoly on how payment is made. So Paypal get charges that they never used to upto last year when Ebay started to force buyers and sellers to use paypal, if they liked it or not.:(
     
  7. NomadM3

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    I agree with what you said, i'm just not sure that was the message the OP was trying to convey. From what I can tell, he meant that if he sold it locally before the auction had ended, he would terminate the auction, not screw somebody out of seats after the auction had ended if he happened to find a local buyer.
     
  8. AHudson

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    Agreed with that. Perhaps the OP merely lists the item for sale, as is, where is. IF IT SELLS earlier, cancel accordingly. Essentially, this is what ebay is condoning, even though they don't/can't say that. In other words, another 'don't ask don't tell' scenario.
     
  9. SRT Mike

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    You can only end an auction early for a set period of time... IIRC it cannot be ended in the last 24 hours.

    But I agree with the poster you were replying to, I think the "I reserve the right to sell locally" it something that should not fly on eBay. It gives the seller an easy out to cancel the sale if they are unhappy with the price. As a buyer, I want to know that I will win the item if I win the auction.

    It's no different than a seller having a caveat that "if I find it for a lower price I won't be following through with my sale".

    eBay got it right this time.
     
  10. copterjon

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    Brian,
    WTF? do you think I'm out to screw people? Jesus Christ man it's not that hard to figure out that if you won the auction you won it and you get the item. However if your bidding on my item and you haven't hit my reserve or the buy it now price and a friend or local guy decides to buy them for the full price from an ad in the paper while they're being auctioned....they're gone!!
    Sorry pal, the name of the game here is sell MY seats not make ebay richer.
    What, should I tell someone with cash in their hand wanting them now that they will have to come back later just in the event somebody may bid on my auction. Now, if somebody comes to me after the buy it now price has been met and offer me more money for my item it aint happening. I'm now bound to sell it to the bidder on ebay, not because of ebays rules but the rules I was raised by and live by.
    Ebay still makes their money on the insertion fees if I end the auction early so it's not hurting them and you stock in ebay will still be golden.:D
     
  11. FandLcars

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    Hi Jon - I see tons of auctions on Ebay with the same comment you used. I also see lots of auctions on Ebay that are just ended early with the excuse "Item is no longer for sale". I'm sure these are mostly ended early because the seller is getting cold feet that his no-reserve auction will not bring enough to suit him. Perhaps you can just eliminate the "for sale locally" comment, include a reserve, and if the seats are sold locally, just end the auction early using the "no longer for sale" Ebay option. Ebay buyers can't be pissed if the auction ends early and has not met reserve. That's just tough nuts.
     
  12. copterjon

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    Hey Rick,
    I just did that with an auction 2 weeks ago. Some one heard through a friend that I had a particular part that was for sale and also listed on ebay. He heard about the piece before I listed it with ebay and was doing some research. When he contacted me about it I said sure I'd sell it to him but I have to make sure nobody hit the reserve or BIN on ebay.
    That auction had no bids and was only one day old on a seven day listing. I hit the end auction early button and the listed reason was Item no longer available. Easy enough and everyone was happy.
    BTW, I did not have the early termanition disclaimer in that auction and was afraid I was violating some ebay rule buy not having it. And yes, there are a ton of auctions with that disclaimer. That's what made me think I may have done something wrong and why I put it in on my seats auction.
    My gripe is that the notice I got from them stated that if the listing was eligible to be relisted with corrections made It would be in my didn't sell folder or whatever. They say if it's not there than it's not eligible for relisting. Well, it's not there and I want to know why.
    Ebay in it's early days was great. Easy to list things and easy to navigate. Now it's just a pain in the a$$ for no other reason than for them to increase their profits.
    That mandated shipping information has to be the biggest crock of $hi7 I've ever seen. I also have a disclaimer about that and it said: "the shipping information listed below cannot be deemed reliable. The final price of the item will be determined by the buyers location and method of shipping he/she chooses." They didn't seem to have a problem with that.
    I may or may not try to relist from scratch but at this point the wind is out of my sails.
     
  13. zippyslug31

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    Care to guess who bought paypal a couple years ago????
    Total monopoly from the top, down. Surprised ebay doesn't also require you to use their own shipping company!
     
  14. zippyslug31

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    Yeah, I've seen plenty in the past and my previous auctions have had this.

    You sure this is the reason why they deleted your auction? Just doesn't make sense and is inconsistent at best.
     
  15. Brian Harper

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    I don't think you are, but plenty of people on eBay sure are.
    Not so fast. You left yourself an out. You could have sold it locally hours before the end of the auction and you were slow to update. As eBay gets larger they have to make more rules to keep the scammers at bay. YOU wouldn't do it, but now eBay has to target the lowest common denominator. And that's pretty low.
    Nope, you tell them to click the Buy It Now button and end the auction. This actually happened on the 308 board. Someone went to do his own PPI and test drive of a GT4 that was on eBay. The car looked good the buyer asked if he could borrow the guy's web for a minute. He went to the auction and clicked the Buy It Now and it was his. Another Fchatter was going to bid on it at the end of the auction to win, but the car was already gone!
    Rules and laws aren't for the ethical, they're for the scammers. It is unfortunate that they apply to all of us.
    EBay stock would have been OK, but I really wish I bought Google!
     
  16. tuttebenne

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    Ebay will be around for a long long time. Get used to it. People buying things out of ads in newspapers is nearly dead.
     
  17. Brian Harper

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    Craigslist will kill newspaper classifieds, not eBay.
    And just when the classifieds are gone, what will the listing fee for Craigslist become? Think it will stay free forever? I sure don't.
     
  18. copterjon

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    Dear zoniejon ([email protected]),

    You recently listed the following auction-style listing:

    290293744797 - Ferrari 348 seats


    Unfortunately, we had to remove your listing because the following information violates our policy:

    These are for sale locally and I reserve the right to end the auction early.




    We notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has been canceled.

    The terms and conditions contained in a listing need to comply with all sections of the eBay User Agreement and listing policies. Under the terms of the User Agreement, sellers agree to deliver all items purchased from them unless the buyer fails to meet the posted terms, or the seller can't verify the buyer's identity.





    Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension.

    Your listing(s) may be eligible for relisting through My eBay. If your listing is eligible, you will see the listing in your Unsold Items page within My eBay. Listings that are not eligible for relisting will not be visible in the Unsold Items page.

    To relist your item, sign in to eBay, go to My eBay to your Unsold items, and select the item that was canceled -- it's highlighted with a yellow banner. Before relisting, please make any changes necessary to ensure that your revised listing is in compliance with the law and eBay policies. You might want to check your other listings for similar violations as well.


    You can review our listing removal policies and seller rules by clicking the links below.

    Thanks for your understanding.

    Sincerely,

    eBay Trust and Safety team
     
  19. VTChris

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    Jon,

    Try craigslist. It works
     
  20. starboy444

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    This reminds me of the movie "The 40 year old Virgin" when the fat kid (Jonah Hill) went into Steve Carrells girlfriends store.......

    The store was called something like: "Sell it on Ebay Store", and he wanted to buy these funky boots but he couldn't, because the listing was only available on Ebay, even though he had cash to pay for them. Funny.


    I agree with your predicament..........why would I hold onto my item for someone who may not even pay me? When there is a perfectly good customer around the corner. Craiglist is good for finding local buyers.
     
  21. Mrpbody44

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    I have a problem with Ebay sellers with drawing an item early. I was bidding on a Cagiva 125 MX bike and this guy has withdrawn the item 3 times. I hate Ebay and have realy stopped using it and use Craigs List instead for buying major items. I still use ebay for buying old car mags and small parts for my motorcycle collection.
     
  22. HOF Ferrari

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    If Ebay could find a way to do that also...they would, trust me!
     
  23. ScuderiaShield

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    Are you using a reserve with your auction? If not, I could understand them pulling it. But if there's a reserve, the item isn't sold until it is hit so you should be able to kill the auction.
     
  24. blockhead

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  25. Pantdino

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    The reason for the seller stopping an auction I have encountered is, "There was an error in the listing." That's about as nebulous as it can get. If ebay will accept this as being a valid reason you needn't bother with the "for sale locally" one.
     

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