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Ecclestone Casts Doubt Over Future Of British GP

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  1. hairy_scotsman

    hairy_scotsman Formula 3

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    Long, but very interesting read (imho). As one of our followers put it, you could basically change Silverstone to COTA and most of the article would still be true. The end of the article reads like a plea for METF-esque state subsidy help to save the British GP.

    Bernie Ecclestone Casts Doubt Over Future Of British Grand Prix - Forbes

     
  2. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Not again ... it's a sad state of affairs when Hamilton is a reason for extra ticket sales not that I mind that, but come on Bernie help um don't tighten the screw, after all it is your home GP.
     
  3. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    Unfortunately it seems to confirm that in the "old traditional" Formula One countries, it is more and more difficult to reach the economic equilibrium for a Grand Prix from the ticket's sales revenues alone, without any "outside help".
    This is basically what has condemned the French Grand prix to oblivion, as our government has clearly stated that there will not be any public money involved at all to top-up any loss (plus the fact that the Grand prix does not seems to interest enough people).

    I guees that if the whole "economic scheme" of Formula One is not reinvented, more and more Grand Prix will leave their historic tracks and countries to go where public money, or big sponsor, are ready to cover the costs/losses.
    It would seem normal that at least part of the income from Formula One should help historic venues to keep their Grand Prix, wouldn't it? Enzo Ferrari once said: "our sport could die from starvation, but it could also die from indigestion". A small number of people are making a lot of money frome Formula One, but historic venues are in danger; that's very sad.

    Rgds
     
  4. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    You hit the nail on its head.

    Bernie also once said that the core of F1 must always be present in any season for F1 to have credibility. The core as in the old Euro races: France, Britain, Italy, Germany, Belgium

    So hopefully he is just bluffing. But as you point out, it happened to the birthplace of GP racing, it might as well happen to other sacred grounds.
     
  5. ginge82

    ginge82 Formula 3

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    So Bernie keeps screwing these tracks over and then wonders why they run into difficulties?

    Perhaps if F1 weren't so greedy and gave these tracks a fair deal, they could improve them tremendously for a better fan experience and god forbid turn a small profit?

    The sport has a built in budget cap staring them in the face. Both the teams currently fighting spending caps and CVC agree to take LESS in order to make that happen. Teams spending silly money are awarded less of the revenue and therefore find their own ways to cut costs and the owners of the sport that have milked so much out of it, help the very companies and tracks that provide them the historic platforms that they race on.

    Of course this won't happen for the same reason that F1's only connection to europe in 10 years time will be the teams headquarters. Pure and utter greed.

    We should let them drive this sport into the ground. Hopefully someone with a real passion for it comes along to pick up the pieces when they do.
     
  6. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    An almost yearly item from Bernie. Sad. This will change hopefully when he leaves. That being said its probably a GP worthy of public support due to the tech base it provides to the UK. Bernie should leave well enough alone.
     
  7. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Formula 1 needs the historic core more than the historic core needs F1. That is the bottom line. Bernie is bluffing.
     
  8. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes
     
  9. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    And yes
     
  10. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes, that's what gives some continuity to F1.

    I consider that once F1 will disappear from European tracks where GPs were born, and the Championship started, F1 itself will become irrelevant.

    I don't care much about new tracks in Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Malaysia, Korea and other venues, but the British, Belgian, Deutsch, Italian and Monaco GPs are essential.

    Loosing the French GP (where it all started!) was already a blow.
     
  11. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Bernie floats this C:?$@ every year because it always gets attention.

    Move along folks, nothing to see.
     
  12. 2003Enzo

    2003Enzo Formula Junior

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    Get lost Bernie.
     
  13. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    #13 PSk, May 20, 2014
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    +1. He is an @rsehole and just wanting more money because he can.

    Hopefully he will get what he deserves from the current court case.

    How any of you can say he made or saved F1, etc. is beyond me. F1 was perfect (other than safety) when he took over and since then he has slowed sucked the life out of it. The only thing he has done to F1 is televise it ... this would have happened without him, just as it has happened to every other important sport, and maybe we would have had somebody with a less selfish "I'm going to be a rich b@stard" attitude.

    I say again, Bernie should PAY the circuits they race on (not necessarily a lot, ie. millions), not the other way around. Without them he has no TV show and this would ensure all tracks that F1 use improve quickly and the money will spread to support races, etc. F1 should be run as a not for profit organisation and all profits over 10% from ALL teams should go to automotive related charities.

    Just imagine how awesome ALL forms of motorsport would be if Bernie was not such a w@nker and enabled growth elsewhere than in his back pocket. Every country (just about) would have driver training series fully sponsored by F1 ensuring the real driver and engineer cream rises to the top meaning the quality of racing in F1 would be even better.

    Even amateur racing would have price money meaning you and I could afford to compete still.

    The list of advantages of a motorsport world minus Bernie is almost endless. There is only one advantage with Bernie ... and he has looked after that well ...
    Pete
    ps: The pinacle of any sport should be first and foremost to support the growth of that sport, not just audience numbers but supporting youth and feeder series, etc. The ONLY sport that I am aware of that does ABSOLUTELY nothing for supporting youth and feeder series, etc. is Formula One.

    Look at Rugby Union, Soccer/football, Cricket, Rugby League, Tennis, etc. They have foundations that support and guide young players ...
     
  14. Senna1994

    Senna1994 F1 World Champ

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    + 1,000,0000 could not agree more!
     
  15. 330 4HL

    330 4HL Formula 3

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    The market for F1 is and always will be Europe; that's why all of the races are held based on EU broadcast times.
    When European F1 fans finally get their fill of all the BS such as two types of tires, push to pass, double points, and losing their races to countries that can't give away enough tickets to fill the stands, and they stop watching, then you might see some useful progress.

    I'm not holding my breath...
     
  16. It's Ross

    It's Ross Formula 3

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    A situation for Bernie to exploit? nah.
    Maybe HE should buy the circuit. I'm sure if he were to sort through the lint and loose change in his pockets the funds are available.
    Paying the fees to himself the track could turn a profit.
     

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