Ecclestone to propose V10 comeback

Sound was dreadful today

 

I would love this! Even the V8s would be great. You do that Mr. Ecclestone.

 

V10? V8? It won't make any difference until the rev limit is significantly lifted and we move away from an energy formula. Right now, the regs are incentivising engines to get quieter and quieter in search of fuel efficiency as less noise means less wasted energy. Refer to WEC LMP1 to see just how far this could go. All a bit pointless in Formula 1 which is meant to be the ultimate sprint series not an economy series.

Simplify the engine regs, get rid of the economy BS and give us back engine music!

 

They limited the revs in order to make the engines last longer, to keep the cost down. But, they could lift the rev limit all together, go back to V10 non-hybrid engines and teams could use 10 engines per year and it would cost them less than these PUs.

 

Yep

 

Yes I agree.

I have no issues with ERS though, it keeps some of the eco mentalists happy because they're too stupid to work out other things and I like the fact of using energy to create more power.

 

The current engine regs are just not working at the moment. As a fan, i feel short changed. I pay to see a full grid, i pay to see cars racing, i pay to see the drivers actually pushing, i pay to hear the wails of a V10, that's the sound of God!

Not to see them lift and coast. Not to hear some fuzzy washing machine sounds. Not to see just 15 cars start a race. The team and the drivers are so bloody scared to push the cars because something might break, and they would get penalise for this.

This is utter BS.

 

Get over the v10 thing you old men. It was great and made sense at the time, but F1 is NOT a spec series so what sort of series would we have if we forever more stuck to v10 engines ...

Oh and no engine has ever sounded better than the v16 BRM, but that does not mean we should stick with v16's either.
Pete

 

That'd be a V12 on this forum ???

Although I do love the sound of my 355 with the race exhaust on it

 

I nearly fell off my seat reading that one

Of course it's a spec series, FORMULA 1 remember, by definition

 

It is close to a spec series at this point but not because its Formula 1. F1 has a tradition of diverse designs.

 

It certainly was F1 when Ken Tyrrell decided 6 wheels were better than four. The Tyrrells were using V8s, the Ferraris were using Flat-12s.

In 1976, the rules were pretty simple: had to fit in a box so long, so wide and so high, had to weigh at least X, engine could displace Y (normally aspirated) or Z (boosted). Now the regs are almost 100 pages long end spec the number of cylinders and the angle of the engine, the height of its GC above a certain point, even the valve diameter and angle. What was once a venue for innovation, has now become a venue for debating what date is the deadline for ceasing development.

 

At least the design restrictions are saving the teams money and increasing competition.

 

When a car pulled into the pits I was wondering "why do they have a generator running in the garage?" Then I realized that was the car

 

Spot on

 

It's only old because it was never allowed to be developed to be better...

Hey i'm a young man btw

 

So V10 ICE is too old, but we can replace it with battery which has been around a thousand years

 

, clever, but it is new use of an old technology.

Even if we went v10, they would be faster with energy recovery because otherwise it is just wasted.

I think we just need to let this current formula mature for a few years. I personally like the new power units. Wonderfully clever. Yes they don't sound as good as they should do but if the FIA would relax the rules and just say 1.6 litres and turbo charged + energy recovery somebody would make a good sounding solution
Pete

 

....had

 

I guess I just have such a huge dislike for a technology that is such an environmental disaster.

Far better had the regs come out and said "you get 100kg of energy/fuel now go work out how best to use it."

 

All this new state of the art technology and the cars are still light years slower than those old dinosaur V10s

Ferrari F2004 would lap the W06

 

Spot on.

Now let's gets serious. V12's with a stick please. Enough of these skinny little boys on Xbox controls.

 

V10 or V12 running on hydrogen or biofuels to please the greenies

It cracks me up when people try to act like the V10s were old tech. Those engines were incredibly advanced

 

+1

 

There's no question they were advanced, but they are old technology. When TTV6 w/ERS has had as much development time as the venerable V8/10/12 naturally aspirated internal combustion engine, then the differences will be night and day.