Ecclestone wants to-impose V8s in F1 for 2016

Along with getting rid of all the hybrid carp.

 

That goes without saying.

I'd also be open to wider cars with wide tired and less aero grip.



Mark

 

United States GP: F1 bosses to propose cheap engine alternative


BBC Sport - United States GP: F1 bosses to propose cheap engine alternative


Formula 1 bosses Bernie Ecclestone and Jean Todt are pushing a plan that could kill the turbo hybrid engines introduced last year.
Ecclestone and Todt are working towards a cheap customer turbo engine under an 'equivalence formula' in 2017
Todt and Ecclestone will present the plan publicly as an attempt to provide cheap customer engines to teams - the plan is to price the engines at six million euros for a year's supply. This is about a third of the price of the cheapest turbo hybrid customer deal.
They are poised to begin a tender process to find a company to supply the engines.
The engine architecture - a 2.2-litre V6 twin turbo - is the same as that used in IndyCar racing in the the US, where one of the suppliers is the British company Ilmor, which used to be involved in F1.

 

That sounds good to me, William.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

And the indy car Engine sounds rubbish.

 

Should the FIA try to push this engine plan through, I suspect it would get very messy indeed from a legal point of view.

Forcing through a change in the regulations concerning engines without the consent of all the teams would breach the FIA's own regulations, and would also breach the contracts that the teams have with the FIA concerning power plants.

Whilst this might be fine with the likes of Red Bull, Sauber, Force India, Manor racing etc., etc., Mercedes, Ferrari, Honda and Renault would dispute the legality of it immediately - especially considering the large sums of money that they've all invested in the hybrid technology.

I doubt Ferrari and Mercedes would allow the smaller teams to just walk away from their legally binding engine contracts either.

Should this idea be pushed through, I can easily see Mercedes, Honda and Renault deciding to just pull out of F1 (possibly citing a breach of contract on the part of the FIA as their reason for leaving!), whilst Ferrari would simply plough hundreds of Millions of Dollars into designing their own simpler turbo engine to become the dominant force in F1 again.

As it stands, Bernie and JT could be making more problems for F1 than they'd be solving with this idea!

 

The rules have already been broken many times. The token system was modified, in-season development was modified, the requirement to supply current-year engines was ignored. As usual the governing regulations are a big fat pi55ing contest.

As it stands now Mercedes and Ferrari can make it impossible for any other team to be competitive. Either by refusing to provide engines, providing only obsolete engines or by making the engines so expensive that a customer team cannot afford to develop their chassis or force them to hire a driver only if he comes with the biggest bank roll, regardless his talent.

 

I'm not sure Bernie knows what he is doing. It's probably time for new leadership.
F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of Motorsport. A place where innovation can be tested and then trickle down to road cars.

Hybrid technology needs to be allowed to develop. Bernie wants to dumb down the power package in order to do what? Let weaker teams rise? Why don't we just move up the weaker teams on the starting grid? Or else have one engine and hybrid supplier. Yes let give it to the cheapest bidder. All the cars will have the same lousy mediocre old technology. That will really make things exciting.

When you watch a professional sport you want to see the best the sport can offer or produce.

Do you want to see the NFL with average players? Or watch the NBA with teams with mediocre players? Or watch a soccer match with players with your amateur level of skill?

Maybe Bernie will accept an average salary for himself say $45,000 per year. That would cheapen F1 too!

I want to see teams innovate. Develop more efficient higher output engines. Electric valve trains and electric turbos. Better batteries. Cleaner and more fuel efficient. Smaller fuel tanks and no refueling . Yes this costs money and brains.

Bernie only understands his own greed. He has no love for the sport anymore

 

Bring back the v12s!

 

If you want to compare the NFL (which I don't know much about) with F1, bear in mind that the ball is the equivalent of a car: it is just the instrument of the sport.

Would the NFL teams spend £millions on a ball, just to be able to play?

Well, that's what is asked from F1 private teams; they now have to fork 4 times more money for engines, because the rules have been taylored to suit the car manufacturers, and it's crippling them. Also, it makes the engine supply unreliable.

The engine crisis in F1 has nothing to do with drivers' retainers, or Bernie making profit.

But it has all to do with complex technical regulations putting the sport out of reach for private teams.

Blaming Ecclestone for this crisis is not doing him justice; Bernie has always opposed the hybrid rules as "over the top" and predicted the system wouldn't work. On that account it was right.

 

No worse than the F1 engines IMHO. Some think they sound better.

Example:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4lY14IItrs[/ame]

 

One of the problems of the current engines is the terrible sound of the turbo engines.

Why doesn't F1set a goal to eliminate traditions exhaust driven turbo in favor of electric driven or non exhaust driven forced induction engines? Wouldn't that improve the sound ? And if that could trickle down to road cars well that would be fantastic!

As far as supporting teams which don't have money and don't have engineering talent.... OK how about this:

Give teams that DNF or finish races in the last ten spots--F1 should pay them more for their pathetic and unsuccessful efforts.

Also force the winning teams to sell them their last years engine/power package technology. That would definitely even things and keep lesser teams in the league.

One could also use a draft system where the worst teams get first pick for the best young upcoming drivers.

 

I think McLaren has already been trying the Honda modified version.. For them it doesn't seem like money well spent.. LOL!!

 

Seems like a lot of effort to keep a few losers in the game.. F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of the motorsport world. If the teams can't hack it, then let natural selection take over. Not only that, this stupid hoover vacuum cleaner formula for Power Units has cost all the teams more than every before. Go back to 3 liters in any configuration they want to build, make it naturally aspirated and let them race!!

 

Go back to the 80's

1.5 L 4cyl with turbo OR 3L with any number of cylinders. Let the car makers experiment.

Don't penalize people who try and fail. No more stupid penalties for engines that explode or break. No more penalties for swapping engines. BAN all electric motor gizmo's. How much money, time, and effort is spent on this? For what? Does it make the racing better? Nope.

Instead of trying to bring costs down they should be more interested in keeping viewership and interest IN. More eyeballs means more money. DUH!

 

If only they could listen to you Mayor, and me ...


I cannot see how sending a top class driver to the back of the grid because of engine problems can add spice to the show.

Last GP, a car (Button, or Alonso perhaps) was penalised 70 places on the grid !!
This is utter madness.

 

I like the displacement limitation. Everything else should be no open playing field. Electronics, turbos, whatever. Lets see what manufacturers can come up with.

Twin turbo 3L V12 with KERS?

 

Been discussed many times. Due to cost saving measures.

But doesn't work in the current infant status of the new hybrid engine formula.

In other words; it's where our boy Lewis.H. got his Senna'esque status from

 

You make too much sense.

I agree - set some limitations and rules and see who can do the best. If they fail, they fail. It's exciting either way.

Trying to control cost in F1 is like hoping that cheap strippers will be hot...not gonna happen.

 

Do you still buy that crap ?

Because I certainly don't !