El Wayne's allegation that I am shilling for Talacrest.

El Wayne · Dec 8, 2013

TurboTerrificNo9 said: ↑

There was certainly a point where I found muirasv's posts to be a little annoying but that was only because I think he wanted to be the first response to any query. Maybe guilty of a little over exuberance in wanting to appear knowledgeable about the marque.

However I think this is the extent of it. At heart I believe he is an enthusiast and I believe unlikely to be promoting other traders.
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I appreciate your input, but I think you overlooked the PMs from Steve to one of our moderators where he admitted that he was promoting a dealer's website because he had sent them his CV and was hoping to land a job with them:

miurasv said:

The pages [referring to the dealer web pages in your links] so far don't have many followers and I was just trying to promote them. To be completely honest I am looking for job as a Sales Executive selling Ferrari cars.
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miurasv said:

Although it's not my place to do it I don't think DL or Maranello Sales do anything to promote their FB pages which they may or may not have reasons for. I have written to Maranello and DL with my CV previously.
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As far as him being enthusiastic about these old cars, I truly believe that he is. A bit too eager at times, and often overly eager to appear knowledgeable, yet I believe he's an enthusiast at heart. In a way, he reminds me of myself some twenty years ago, when I was just beginning to accumulate some knowledge, was eager to learn more, and enjoyed the feeling that came from sharing that knowledge with others.

I like Steve and I sympathize with Steve, but I couldn't allow him to continue to slip in links to Talacrest's inventory every chance that he got. He has not been banned for this, even temporarily. There has been no punishment for his actions. He is simply not allowed to continue promoting and supporting this dealer.

He started this thread, demanding that I publicly support our reasons for this restriction. I knew it wouldn't reflect well on him, but this was his choice. At this point, I would be more than happy to close the thread at his request.

miurasv · Dec 13, 2013

May I start by pointing out that it was actually you that invited me to start this thread.

El Wayne said: ↑

If Steve wants to air this whole thing out in public, then I invite him to start a thread in the "not model specific" forum and let's talk about it.
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El Wayne said: ↑

He started this thread, demanding that I publicly support our reasons for this restriction. I knew it wouldn't reflect well on him, but this was his choice.
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It was wrong of you to have posted extracts from private messages without my permission which is against FerrariChat rules.

F-Chat Rule 1.5:- No "Personal" Information: Please do not post the personal name, address, phone, email, private communications, or other information without the individual’s permission.

I don’t remember exactly what I said in my private message exchange with moderator Neurobeaker as it was over a year ago. From memory, whilst the motivation behind my posting pictures, videos and articles on Maranello Sales’ Facebook page over a period of time may have been to have made myself known to them with a view to possibly being employed by them, the main reason I posted the links on FerrariChat was that the content of those postings may have been of interest to FerrariChat members. If you were going to post my private messages then you should have posted the message in its entirety so that what I said would have been understood in its correct context rather than extracts of it which distort its meaning. So go ahead and post the full message. If it digs a deeper hole for me then so be it.

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“Miurasv is not working for Talacrest directly, but he regularly emails and phones Racecar, Collin's PR people, and they feed him information that they want to see appear on FerrariChat. He does it to make himself appear knowledgeable, but they are just laughing at him.”

The above is a total lie and is libellous to both RaceCar and myself. I had never spoken to Racecar by email or telephone. You really should make the author of the above statement known. It’s only fair that you do that. Regarding my wanting to appear knowledgeable, I thought I asked too many questions for that.

As far as my sucking up to Talacrest and other dealers goes this is bull****. I have been a Ferrari and sports car fanatic since childhood, which is 40+ years, and have an avid interest in the cars on the market and the market itself hence my posting about the stars in the classic Ferrari market, which many of Talacrest’s cars undoubtedly are. Anything I have written has always been with sincerity. It was me that posted in the David Piper Talacrest P4 thread that Ferrari will not Classiche 0858 at all, even with a White Book, in its reconfiguration as a P4 after finding the truth of the matter by communicating with Marco Arrighi, Head of Ferrari Classiche. I’m sure it doesn’t matter to JC one jot or affect 0858’s saleability/desirability such is its rarity, beauty and importance in Ferrari history, but would I have posted what some may see as negative information if I had wanted to gain favour with him? Even James Glickenhaus had said on a number of occasions that 0858 in its reconfiguration could be White Book Classiched which is incorrect.

Although I do think it would be great to contribute and work at Talacrest buying and selling the cars that they do, I have been under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that John Collins does not employ sales people, with him preferring to handle all the buying and selling himself. Posting links to his cars to gain favour with him so he would employ me would be pointless. More importantly, do you really think that if I wanted to gain favour with JC that I’d post links to his cars on FerrariChat? With all the negative comments that come from certain individuals regarding 0858’s reconfiguration on this site, exacerbated by the lack of moderation to curb the unwarranted malice directed at Talacrest and David Piper he is more likely to look on me less favourably for doing so. And yes I’ve seen the token post below but no action against the main perpetrators, only a ban on myself from commenting in the thread and Talacrest’s cars.

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This a reminder to keep the discussion civil and to refrain from personally attacking or insulting other users.
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Also, to be clear about his reason for being here and doing all of this, it's telling that his profile is basically a "seeking employment" ad:
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I had been a member here for a number of years before I wrote in my profile that I was seeking employment. My reason for being here is to share my passion and knowledge of Ferrari and other cars with other enthusiasts.

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I appreciate your input, but I think you overlooked the PMs from Steve to one of our moderators where he admitted that he was promoting a dealer's website because he had sent them his CV and was hoping to land a job with them:
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I have not sent my CV to Talacrest for the reason already given. I have not been promoting Talacrest’s web site to get a job with them as I don’t believe there is a job to get but have been posting links to cars that I believe F-Chat members would be interested in. Has it gone over your head that people are interested in their cars? The P4 thread has been the biggest thread here for 18 months. The thread will not die. Just because you are not interested in the P4, as you have stated, does not mean that others are not interested in the cars Talacrest sell, as is clearly evidenced by the longevity and number of postings in that thread. Is there perhaps some resentment that Talacrest effectively gets free advertising by the relentless ongoing nature of the thread even with the posse of naysayers who contribute to it?

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I like Steve and I sympathize with Steve, but I couldn't allow him to continue to slip in links to Talacrest's inventory every chance that he got. He has not been banned for this, even temporarily. There has been no punishment for his actions. He is simply not allowed to continue promoting and supporting this dealer.
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For what it’s worth I like you too, Wayne and respect the knowledge you undoubtedly have, but you really weren’t interested in any explanation I had when you banned me from posting anything to do with Talacrest. That said, as wrong as you are, I do understand the reasons you and others may think as you do but that doesn’t mean what you think is actually true.

wax · Dec 13, 2013

Uh-huh . . .

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Steve,

First of all, let me clarify that no one here assumes that you are being paid by Talacrest (or any of the other dealers that you have pushed on us in the past) in exchange for all of your posts about their cars and services. On the contrary, we realize that these have been your attempts to suck-up to these dealers, grab their attention, and demonstrate your knowledge and usefulness in hopes of gaining employment with them.

Sometime last year, you began posting threads directing users to the websites of specific dealers in the UK. Originally, this was Maranello Sales. This immediately caught the attention of the moderator staff, and we continued to watch your posts and discuss them in the moderator forum for some time. Finally, a moderator (not me) contacted you by PM to question the purpose behind these activities, and you responded:

So you were looking for a job and hoping to impress them and have them consider you for a sales position. In the meantime, you were using F-Chat to advertise their products and services for free, despite the fact that we have a number of dealer-sponsors here that pay for the privilege of advertising on this site. As you can imagine, this did not sit well with us.

Then the Talacrest stuff began. Some were more obvious, like these threads:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-redline-restorations/409971-interesting-talacrest-video-how-john-collins-got-started.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/406269-interesting-talacrest-price-guide-vintage-classic-ferrari.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-redline-restorations/394266-330-lmb-4725-repainted-yellow.html#post142006828

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/426472-unique-rhd-alloy-275-gtb-4-a.html

Others were more subtle, like sneaking in links to cars they had for sale, such as these posts:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142574864-post11961.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141845372-post3.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141853006-post401.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142309191-post2.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141864643-post455.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142267983-post21.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142191306-post10.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142588496-post1.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142250477-post12.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142540480-post1987.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142051158-post231.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142670908-post9.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142402354-post64.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142546013-post22.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142670580-post6.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141817110-post9.html

And other stuff like this:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142267795-post2.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142269423-post6.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-redline-restorations/89883-more-old-photos-7.html#post141962112

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142523996-post370.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142054069-post5.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141414015-post1122.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141969402-post8.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142547036-post35.html

Of course, this didn't go unnoticed by our paying sponsors. We received a number of complaints, including one from an individual who had this to share:

And finally, your attempts to control your image in order to impress these dealers was annoying to say the least. You would constantly delete, modify, and repost the same thing in order to fine tune it and make sure you were looking as knowledgeable as possible. Since these deleted posts are still visible to moderators, this resulted in many threads that we viewed looking like this:

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So, after Rob and the moderators reviewed all of your post history, it was clear to us that you were promoting Talacrest (as you had done for other dealers in the past) in order to gain favor with them. If we thought you were being paid for this, we would have banned you immediately. Instead, we simply forbade you from posting anything else in relation to Talacrest, their cars, or their services.

Now, you find yourself wanting to defend their recent restoration of a particular car that has been controversial, yet you are unable to do so because that would be a violation of the restriction that we placed on you. You shoved Talacrest and their cars down our throats so hard that you are now unable to defend them when you feel that they would most appreciate it. Oh well.

Oh yes, and I didn't even mention the issue that we had with you regarding using the classifieds here for non-sponsor dealer purposes. Were these also cars that Talacrest was looking for? Even if that's the case, I think I've already said enough.
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Daytonafan · Dec 13, 2013

MisterMaranello said: ↑

I'd like to say thanks to the admins for sorting this up. That means sponsors can still have faith in the site and that it's fair for everyone. I haven't got any problems with people speaking for a brand or group, but transparency is key, especially where all you can do is read the black and white text. This is just such an obviously weird situation (his profile text?), he's obviously an enthusiast, he just went about it the wrong way and now he has to take the consequences.

The best current and relevant example I can think of is Nick Trott av EVO mag, he wrote an entire editorial supporting McLaren's decision to not release a 'Ring time. He vigoursly defended the brand anywhere and everywhere online. Well what do ya now, he's had a 12C long term loaner car from McLaren since March/April, free of charge of course! He even got to pick out over £10,000 of MSO options on the car.

I pointed this out on several places online, even news outles that referred to him. I suggested they edit his title from "editor" to "spokesperson".

As El Wayne commented, there is a difference between sharing pictures and info of a car for sale, and spamming the forum for anything related to the vendor.
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To be fair though the long term test reports read as anything other than an advert for the 12C.

Back on topic as a regular user of the vintage section I'm glad the moderators have looked into this as it did seem the section was getting clogged with MiuraSV's threads and posts. I think they've taken the right approach and also that Steve continues to contribute but in a constructive way.

thepinkumbrella · Dec 13, 2013

I can't quite fathom out why an entire thread has been dedicated to this but I do know that it was Steve and Wayne's wish to get this aired in the open.
I have spent time with Steve and spent time on the telephone with Steve and have loaned him books from my library for him to expand his knowledge.
He is a true student of the marque, always asking questions, always keen to learn, always questioning what is believed to be fact.
He is by no means employed by any marque specialist at this moment time but is certainly looking to gain employment in this field.

His posts regarding Talacrest are by no means commercial, Talacrest as a company have been involved in some huge transactions this year in the Ferrari market and therefore they will crop up more than regularly. A whole new section has been created in the Vintage Section to accommodate the market, you can't discuss the market without discussing the market. John Collins' name was mentioned more than somewhat when it came to the sale of the Eddie Smith NART Spyder but I doubt there were any complaints then.

Steve has defended the process of the restoration that has taken place around chassis #0858 and this has left him open to criticism/abuse. The return criticism/abuse has been largely based around what the gospel according to James Glickenhaus has to preach and the sheep follow.
The chapter according to James Glickenhaus has slated Talacrest, Steve has postured against this.
Steve has asked many questions and sought many answers, I have provided much literature to assist him.
Yes, Steve wants a job but moreover Steve wants to learn. If he is asking questions about a certain topic I guarantee that at least ten more are wanting to ask the same question but too scared to ask it. He wants knowledge, just like all of us amateur historians want to.

In closing, Steve is a good guy, he has been given a tough ride because he questioned certain things, he looked to expand his knowledge, he has never taken what in black and white as gospel (unlike the many sheep on here).

I welcome your slating.

Paul

thepinkumbrella · Dec 13, 2013

And does moderator Neurobeaker know what a historic Ferrrari is?
Just curious....

Paul

rob lay · Dec 13, 2013

thepinkumbrella said: ↑

And does moderator Neurobeaker know what a historic Ferrrari is?
Just curious....

Paul
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every Ferrari has some history.

thepinkumbrella · Dec 13, 2013

Rob Lay said: ↑

every Ferrari has some history.
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Oh...ok...
I guess Wayne is the guy with the brains...

Paul

rob lay · Dec 13, 2013

thepinkumbrella said: ↑

Oh...ok...
I guess Wayne is the guy with the brains...

Paul
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there are some people that love all Ferraris, they all have stories, history, and personality. some just more than others. there are enthusiasts and then there are snobs.

thepinkumbrella · Dec 13, 2013

Rob Lay said: ↑

there are some people that love all Ferraris, they all have stories, history, and personality. some just more than others. there are enthusiasts and then there are snobs.
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And where are you pigeon holing my self?
And where does Neorobeaker fall on your spectrum?

Just curious...

Paul

TheMayor · Dec 13, 2013

Simon^2 said: ↑

Personally I'd be careful if I were you. Eric (Peleton25) gets a free trip paid by McLaren to see the P1... And his defense of the P1 ring time PR fiasco has been strong to say the least. I have posted in that thread he sounds like a McLaren PR agent...

And reviewing that thread,... Eric is certainly the loudest pro-McL voice.

To be clear, I do not think Eric should be restricted in anyway.

I get this is not apples to apples,... But it does show there is enough grey to tread carefully.
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Eric shilling for McLaren? NO!!!!!!!!!!

We luv ya Eric. Post all the Mac stuff you want.

rob lay · Dec 13, 2013

thepinkumbrella said: ↑

And where are you pigeon holing my self?
And where does Neorobeaker fall on your spectrum?

Just curious...

Paul
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not snobs

NeuroBeaker · Dec 14, 2013

Rob Lay said: ↑

not snobs
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El Wayne · Dec 14, 2013

Allow me to respond...

miurasv said: ↑

May I start by pointing out that it was actually you that invited me to start this thread.

It was wrong of you to have posted extracts from private messages without my permission which is against FerrariChat rules.
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thepinkumbrella said: ↑

...it was Steve and Wayne's wish to get this aired in the open.
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To clarify, I did not wish to discuss this publicly. In the David Piper/Talacrest thread, I was accused of having restricted Steve from discussing Talacrest and their cars for sale in order to stifle one side of the discussion in that particular thread (a thread in which I was not participating and in which I had no interest whatsoever). Excerpts from that thread:

PAUL500 said: ↑

My understanding is that if MiuraSV posts any further comments on this thread, the powers that be who run fchat have threatened to delete his account.
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Still always best I guess to silence people with threats of removal if you don't want a two sided discussion.
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El Wayne said:

Two things bother me about continuing this discussion here. 1) We're taking the thread completely off topic; and 2) we're talking about a guy who can't even speak for himself because of where this discussion is taking place.

If Steve wants to air this whole thing out in public, then I invite him to start a thread in the "not model specific" forum and let's talk about it. I have an open mind and am willing to hear what he has to say. At the same time, he will have to accept that I'll respond by sharing the reasons for our decision, which I have already shared with him in private.

And that's enough of that. Let's leave him and the restriction out of this discussion.
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When that thread began to be side-tracked by this silliness, I put an end to the derailment and offered to let Steve discuss his Talacrest issue in a separate thread if he wished to do so, with a warning that the reasons for the moderators' decision would be made public. In this case, that involved private messages between Steve and the moderator staff where he admitted to promoting other dealers on this site.

thepinkumbrella said:

His posts regarding Talacrest are by no means commercial, Talacrest as a company have been involved in some huge transactions this year in the Ferrari market and therefore they will crop up more than regularly.
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Two things are obvious here:

1. Talacrest is not the only dealer selling high-profile cars, yet they were the constant focus of Steve's undying attention and devotion.

2. Other users might show interest in Talacrest's cars, but they also show an equal and balanced interest in cars from other dealers.

Steve: Again, my fellow moderators and I looked to your history in making posts with the admitted intention of promoting specific dealers on this site. We understood that you were not being paid by the dealers and only wished to make an impression on them. We looked at the overwhelming number of recent threads and posts in which you linked to Talacrest's inventory (see my first post in this thread for some examples of these). We looked to the fact that you were still seeking some sort of employment within the industry, and came to the conclusion that you were not being paid by Talacrest to do this, but that it was obvious that you were intentionally promoting their business anyway. We told you to stop mentioning/discussing their cars and to stop posting links to their inventory, website, and videos. We still think this was a fair and proper decision. Our feelings on the matter are:

1. Actions come with consequences. Sometimes we have to live with those consequences, even if they are less than ideal.

2. You had already been told once to stop promoting dealers on this site with the Maranello Sales issue. To simply tell you to stop doing the same with Talacrest and to restrict you from discussing the dealer on FerrariChat was an exceptionally lenient response, especially in light of the frequency and number of Talacrest links that you were posting.

With the exception of a couple of individuals who have erroneously linked this decision to the discussion taking place in the David Piper/Talacrest thread, the community has shown support for our decision.

miurasv · Dec 15, 2013

Wayne, You said you would share the reasons for the moderators decision which you have already shared with me in private but there was no reference in your communications whatsoever to any private messages that I had exchanged previously from NeuroBeaker.

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Two things are obvious here:

1. Talacrest is not the only dealer selling high-profile cars, yet they were the constant focus of Steve's undying attention and devotion.

2. Other users might show interest in Talacrest's cars, but they also show an equal and balanced interest in cars from other dealers.
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Doing a search of all the threads Ive started proves the above to be untrue and that I too have a balanced interest in cars from other dealers. Below are the total of the threads that I have started about other dealers which do not include the numerous posts therein those threads where I have made reference to those other dealers. I have not sent my CV to any of them apart from DK Engineering 17 years ago.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/421418-rm-auctions-london-live-feed-9-9-13-a.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/425677-rm-auctions-250-gt-swb-bertone-speciale-1739gt-ny-21st-november-2013-a.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/429222-rm-auctions-new-york-21-11-13-a.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/429086-art-your-garage-rob-myers-interview.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/boxers-tr-m/428938-bb512i-sold-nec-silverstone-auctions-16th-november.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/389077-simon-kidston-video-friends-reunited-jean-guichet-meets-gto-4675-a.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/425736-rm-auctions-gorgeous-250-europa-gt-0407gt-21st-november-2013-new-york.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/423850-rm-auctions-250-lm-6107-new-york-21-11-13-a.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/421958-ex-eric-clapton-365-gtc-sells-%A3578-300-gbp-inc-bp.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/420936-interesting-kidston-article-re-inconsistent-monterey-results.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/406516-what-makes-classic-car-hexagons-chairman-paul-michaels.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/boxers-tr-m/399671-rhd-512bbi-16k-miles-dk-engineering-uk.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/recreations-non-period-rebodies/402920-interesting-250-gt-swb-berlinetta-recreations-gto-engineering.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/206-246/397877-uk-dino-246gt-virtually-1-owner-new.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/206-246/401524-dino-206-246-gts-coys-london.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/400968-gorgeous-250-gt-pinin-farina-series-ii-cabriolet.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/boxers-tr-m/401532-ex-elton-john-512tr-coys-london.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/399374-fascinating-videos-paul-michaels-proprietor-hexagon-classics-london.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/397103-most-iconic-ferrari-world.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/397710-ferrari-250-lm-new-life-kidston-video.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/388206-rm-auctions-london-31-10-12-results.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/british/393578-aston-martin-v8-vantage-6-3-kidston-video.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/boxers-tr-m/390828-did-anyone-see-bb512i-recently-sold-silverstone-auctions.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/380065-fascinating-dk-engineering-video.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/375928-daytona-competizione-prototipo-c-n-12547-a.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/374880-does-anyone-know-250-gto.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/374833-250-gt-lwb-interim-berlinetta.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/374753-simon-kidstons-facebook-page-amazing-pictures.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/374567-fabulous-pics-kidston-250-lm-after-ferrari-classiche-restoration.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/374545-250-gto-tour-kidston.html

Threads Ive started about Talacrest:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/394266-330-lmb-4725-repainted-yellow.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/422617-i-wonder-how-much-250gt-speciale-0403gt.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/409971-interesting-talacrest-video-how-john-collins-got-started.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-ferrari-market/406269-interesting-talacrest-price-guide-vintage-classic-ferrari.html

Like thepinkumbrella said, you can't talk about the market without talking about the players in the market and Talacrest is among the biggest, if not the biggest classic Ferrari dealer in the world right now. I appreciate very much the words of support from members TurboTerrificNo9 and of course the very knowledgeable and helpful Paul Harris (thepinkumbrella) so many thanks to the both of you. Yes, I can see the community supports your decision and I respect that.

Ill close the door on my way out.

El Wayne · Dec 15, 2013

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Yes, some of those threads remind me of when, prior to the more recent fascination with Talacrest, we had users questioning why you appeared to be promoting Simon Kidston.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141586453-post8.html

miurasv said:

275GTBSaran said: ↑

I am just curious: Are you the PR Agent for Simon Kidston?
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No. I wish I was!!! Why do you ask?
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miurasv · Dec 15, 2013

I have made no secret of my ambitions to work in the industry selling Ferrari, classics and supercars again. I couldn't have been more candid. My reply in the post you cite does demonstrate the innocence behind my postings.

PAUL500 · Dec 15, 2013

As I have been quoted in this thread I would like to point out my quotes were in response to posters on the 0858 thread asking why MuiraSV had not responded to some of the more recent comments, and I simply identified the reason why, as he could not

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