Electric torque vs gasoline hp

Interesting point of view, which I agree with in general.

Electric Torque Is No Replacement for a High-Revving Engine

 

The writing is on the wall. There is no stopping electrification for cars whether we like it or not. The day will come so let's just enjoy our cars while we can. Our grand children will likely live in a world where the internal combustion engine is relegated to the classic cars niche. By the way, no internal combustion engine in the world will rival electric motors when it comes to throttle response.

 

It may not rival it, but it sure as heck doesn't sound like a proper car should when it accelerates. The future is looking pretty boring if that's what we have to look forward too, driving will simply become a function, rather than a skill and a hobby.

 

I used to climb trees and catch fishes in the streams as a kid, but none of these are what kids do these days. Ask them if they find their life boring? I doubt any would look back at gas spewing and noisy automobiles with much love. Every generation has their own standards and values.

 

Right on!

 

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The car "electrification" is (in addition to environmental concerns) a fix part of the digital transformation, this trend is unstoppable.

Let's think about: A Tesla is not only a car with an electro engine, this "thing" is fully integrated in the mega wave of IoT (Internet of Things).

 

This.

Time moves on. In 20 years, the new Ferrari owner will seriously want and expect self-driving and all that stuff.

You don't have to look much to see it happening today too. How many people would be up in arms if they couldn't connect their iPhone to their Ferrari? Not long ago people lamented the loss of the true manual transmission. If you could read the ECU, I'm sure you'd see people using auto mode all the time and would call it crazy if a new Ferrari didn't have an automatic mode.

I embrace the future of cars. I actually find engine note-less acceleration and speed to be quite an interesting experience. It will remove some sensory information and amplify others.

 

What's the point of "driving" a Ferrari then?
Agreed that tech and gadgets are already ubiquitous because the target(young)audience wants them but certain cars will always be the exception.


You are describing a carnival ride better left for others to produce.

 

Driving an electric is like kissing through a handkerchief. Clean but no passion.

 

I never kiss through a handkerchief, I prefer the direct way. So you're probably right, I don't know...

 

Each successive generation experiences something different.
Many of us hold on to our 458 rather than buy a 488, simply because of the sound.
Now we are "leaping forward" to a soundless, and eventual driverless experience.
The young look forward and the rest backward. Clearly, race tracks will eventually go the way of the drive in movie. Best

 

With total love my good friend. I hope to spew and make noise for as long as I'm on this Earth.

 

The future electric Ferrari could have a synthesized electric sound too to go with blistering performance and awe inspiring design

 

U will get to choose what sound track u want. F1, LeMans, WRC, etc. Paid options of course...

 

To your point, people seem to be much unhappier these days!

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I would think that's prob due to the economy more than anything else.

 

I agree that economic opportunity, or rather the lack of it is at work here. Yet I think the matter goes much further -- we have a sense of decline, that things will never be as good as they were, that all institutions are corrupt and untrustworthy, that there is no leadership, or worse yet, that no one cares. All of these go to deprive a people of the spiritual quality needed to generate hope. Without hope, you might as well sign off and be done with it.

 

If u are talking abt America, it's quite obvious the political landscape is the cause. Money poIitics skewed by interest groups' incessant lobbying, partisan politics, etc. Ok, there's also the Trump factor now

 

The Greeks coined the term Democracy meaning “rule by the people,” As good as it is and arguably the best form of governance, a democracy is difficult to maintain. The Isle of Man may lay claim to the longest lasting democracy (established circa 970 ad), but most, primarily because of size of their population, become a Republic with representatives who soon serve themselves first and the people second. Within the Republic, individuals rise to power influencing the rest, devolving into an Oligarchy. In this context the economic theory referred to as the Tragedy of the Commons becomes apparent. It is characterized by individuals acting selfishly, but rationally, at the expense of the common good and survival. Eventually and inevitably we use up resources and force a battle for survival.

For most of our history, the U.S. population and that of Europe, maybe others, believed they could achieve "success". Today, for too many, the "dream" is gone and instead of admiring those who have succeeded they begrudge them their fortune, believing it could only have come from ill gotten gains.

The U.S. has a $20 trillion debt, obligating its finances to entitlement support and debt. With 47 million on welfare, job stagnation, and young people with no hope but for the government to care for them (explaining the support for Bernie Sanders), it would appear a cataclysmic change is not far away. Best

 

+458

 

You remind me, I forgot to mention not to worry about putting miles on your Ferrari, analogous to eat our desert first, because who knows if the entree will ever come. Best

 

Bread and circuses.

 

Some notes from an insider...

As electrification of the automobile progresses, gas powered cars, such as classic Ferrari's, will be highly coveted in the years to come.

No one is 'taking anything away' from gas powered cars but rather adding an alternative fuel to the mix, and by doing so, they are extending the supply of oil/gas so you'll be able to fuel up your classic further into the future. I don't want any soccer moms using up my gas. (yes, I still race a gas car)

It will likely be common amongst car enthusiasts to own an electric car for commuting, and a gas car for driving.

And finally, when the battery costs come down, and EV's can afford to start using transmissions en masse, it will be a downright scary day. Not many think about how hindered a Tesla is by using a single gear, yet just about every performance EV (including Formula E, Pikes Peak cars, Conversions, etc...) use a transmission to their performance benefit. (it's a false understanding that EV's don't benefit from a gear box) Right around 100mph where the Tesla advantage wears off against a Ferrari, a gear set would eliminate this top end gas advantage. If Tesla can be competitive against a Ferrari in a SUV, imagine what it will be like when they release a sports car in 5-8 years. Go America.

(bias note: I worked on the electric Ferrari 308 GTE project, race gas cars, and daily drive a 1965 electric)

 

I found very interesting the public concern regarding the whole EV "range" issue when EVs were first introduced.

The way the concern was voiced, although never outright stated, was that an EV was not a "do everything" vehicle, that one couldn't both commute in it and drive across the country on family vacation.

That paradigm has shifted. People seem to recognize and are now willing to accept that a shorter range capacity is just fine for a daily commuter vehicle. There is zero risk of getting stranded in an EV doing daily commute duty. People are now becoming increasingly willing to designate their multiple vehicles as specialty vehicles; the commuter vehicle, the hauling vehicle, the vacation vehicle, etc..

The open question is whether people in the future will look to driving as a form of recreation. Driving has been a way to act out a feeling of freedom. It is unclear to me how much of the noisy, shaky, mechanical "driving" experience is a natural, fundamental joy and how much of it is learned. If it is the latter, old cars are doomed. If it is the former, old cars will be sought-out until the last barrel of oil is extracted from the ground.

Regarding self-driving cars, I am quite excited. By the time I am too old to competently get behind the wheel, the technology will have been established and I will have a self-driving transportation appliance in my garage to whisk me off to the Bingo Hall every Friday evening.

(FWIW, my earliest exposure to an EV was test driving a prototype of that original Lotus-style Tesla at an autocross.) (fast but weird).

 

Really neat thread... Stumbled upon it totally accidentally while on Google outside of the Forum... Albeit a regular visiter over in the 308 Forum, this was a really neat find and a great subsequent read. If you have ventured over to or already know about the EV 308 thread it would be even of more interest to drive our project just for fun... we have completed that "daily driver 308" and it is a kick to drive. People freak out lest even know what car it is and what year.... not to mention a lacking but growing (%) perception of the electric propulsion hiding inside...... It is certainly not a replacement by any means but the drivability day to day 70-90 mile range (and a 150-200 range battery pack in the works) and plugs everywhere makes San Diego travel a treat! I get back about 15 miles of range per hour so Lunch is La Jolla with a free charge at the Colonial Hotel is great not to mention the Valet guys love to give us rides in their golf cart to wherever we are meeting locally while on the plug!

Look me up if in SD (PM) and come take a drive in the Electric 308.... another FC member is coming to visit me from Florida in May and can't wait to drive). It has that distinctive Ferrari feeling but of course with a 5 speed manual transmission and a whole boat load of torque..... 330 vs 179 ft/lbs..... (All speed testing to be done in May and I can safely say that if goes well over 100 with ease and sticks tight..... I had to confess to a couple cool CHP fellas .

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/308-328-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/462672-1978-308-gts-ev-conversion.html
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