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Electromotive warning! Don't do what I did.

Discussion in '308/328' started by FasterIsBetter, Jul 5, 2008.

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  1. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

    Jul 22, 2004
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    I was up at Lime Rock this weekend with the 308 to run on the newly configured and re-surfaced track. Things started out okay, but as the day went on, the car started lagging, backfiring, hesitating, and generally not running well. I thought it was a problem with the carb. Third session, I went out on the track and the car was running a little strangely, then started missing badly. I decided to head in, but never made it. Just after Big Bend, the car sputtered and died, and was backfiring and as the corner workers told me, shooting flames out of the exhaust.

    Well, I pulled off and had to be towed in, obviously. Once I got settled down, I started looking the car over to try to figure out what happened. Poking around, I discovered that the carbs were not the problem. There was nothing wrong with them.

    So what was it? The timing ring on the crank damper had come loose. At least one of the set screws has fallen out. I guess the ring had worked loose and must have been moving, which screwed up the timing, causing the lag, hesitation, backfiring, etc. When it finally moved out from under the sensor, the car died. It must have been dumping raw gas into the hot exhaust, which caused the flames to shoot out of the exhaust.

    Anyway, when I put the ring on, I tightened the set screws, but did not put Locktite on them. Well, when I reset the ring, not only am I going to use Locktite on all of the set screws, but also I'm going to drill some set holes in the damper so that the ring, once in place, cannot move ever again. I don't want to depend on just those little points of the set screws any more.

    So, if you have an Electromotive, check your set screws and Locktite them, if you haven't already. And anyone installing one of these things, be sure to do that. And drilling some set holes wouldn't hurt either.
     
  2. jimshadow

    jimshadow F1 Veteran
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    Feb 19, 2006
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    Sorry you had to discover this issue in this manner. I for one appreciate this heads up as I'm planning an Electromotive eventually. :)
    Hope it runs trouble free after a dab or two of Loctite!!!

    JIM
     
  3. racespecferrari

    racespecferrari F1 Veteran

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    Thanks for the heads up.

    This is something I had wondered about several times if vibration would be an issue. I will have to do the same, but as mine has only been started up in my garage there haven't been any issues yet.
     
  4. pdmracing

    pdmracing Formula Junior

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    How was the new track?
     
  5. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

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    Okay, dug in and put the timing ring and sensor back in place last night. Fortunately, I had marked the damper and ring clearly with a hash mark, so realigning them was not a problem. Red Loctite is now my best friend!

    As for Lime Rock, it was hard to tell in the rain on Saturday morning. What is amazing to me, after all this work, the new uphill was unusable because it was undermined by the rain. We used the old uphill, which is better as they have taken off the sharp lip that caused people to go airborne, and rounded it off more. The new paving is nice, especially down the front straight (no more washboarding), Big Bend (no more NASCAR concrete patches), and through the Esses. There is a lot of runout area beyond the downhill, so should be a lot safer.

    What I didn't like is the "chicane" in West Bend. Rather than sweeping through West Bend, you go straight, slam on the brakes, make an almost 180 deg. right hand turn, into an immediate left hander. Almost impossible to avoid some really rough rumble strips. Speeds on the downhill will be slower, as you come out of that left hander almost under the bridge, so not much momentum to build speed before diving into the right hander out onto the main straight.

    Other changes have not been completed, from what I saw. The pit entrance is still after the right hander after the downhill, not up before the bridge, as it was supposed to be. And for all the regrading and work they did, there was still a lake on No Name straight and in the Esses, plus a river running across the middle of No Name from runoff on the hill. You would think, with all the time, effort and money, that they would have fixed those things. Oh well.
     
  6. Birdman

    Birdman F1 Veteran

    Jun 20, 2003
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    Steve,
    Thanks for the heads up. I wondered about that damn ring when I installed my electromotive. I put loctite on all the set screws. But I think I may go back this winter and do something a little more permanent.

    Birdman
     
  7. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

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    Bird,

    I was also thinking that two or three little spot welds might work too, but might throw off the balance on the damper. I actually peened each of the set screws as well, so that they cannot back out even if the Loctite decides to let loose.

    Regards,
    Steve
     
  8. Irishman

    Irishman F1 Rookie

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    Am I understanding this correctly? Those set screws just press against the damper? Sounds like it could very easily shift.

    Seamus
     
  9. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

    Feb 22, 2003
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    I wish you guys the best with that thing, but that whole toothed wheel balancer mounting and sensor contraption never inspired much confidence for me.
    Are there any other ways to get a signal?
     
  10. luckydynes

    luckydynes F1 Rookie

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    yeah there is . . you can make a long adapter that the crank bolt just holds on .. .there's room . I made one without modding the balancer and still using the stock bolt .. . pic's somewhere .. I'll post 'em if you want.
     
  11. luckydynes

    luckydynes F1 Rookie

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    or you can use a Haltech and use the stock triggers .. that one's not sinking in with a lot of people . I don't know why.
     
  12. luckydynes

    luckydynes F1 Rookie

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    I put a small pin on it to index to the harmonic balancer key groove to positively locate so it wouldn't spin and so if you had to remove it you can put it back in the same place.
     

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