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Discussion in 'Chicago' started by spike308, Jun 4, 2004.

  1. FerrariFrank1

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    You got me...I'll ask my Insurance guy. Because,If thats available. I want it!

    (But,as you said, That still won't save your ass if you get sued,bigtime.)
     
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  3. Tod328gts

    Tod328gts Formula Junior

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    Well, I spoke too soon, just got my emmision testing form in the mail today for the 328. I know it will pass ok, just don't want those $5/hr. kids racing it on the dyno.... I will have to stop in the main office first and talk to the manager and see if he can do it with me in the passanger seat. I will explain to him that my insurance will not cover anyone under 35 and that i hope thier insurance will cover any damage done to my car.... Well, now i just have to get it back from Continental first.... :(
     
  4. Darolls

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    Tod-

    Go back and re-read my post.

    If you want too, take it to the Palatine station and I'll go with you.

    I'll get you through with an idle test only.
     
  5. spike308

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    Tod-
    the guy that drove mine did a good job, with me glaring at him from the passenger seat.
    It is a terrible thing to see.... I don't abuse her like that, why should someone else get to?
     
  6. FerrariFrank1

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    Tod,relax. I've taken my 308 through twice now.(Addison) Several Corvette's,too. They get Ferrari's,Lambo's,Porches,Vipers,'Vettes...you name it-in there EVERY DAY. They will let you sit in the Passenger seat. Mine (308) passed both times at just an idle test,so they didn't even have to shift the gears. And,I don't even think that they noticed my Colt Python sticking out of my belt.....:)
     
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  8. Farmers Agent

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    Aloha fellow ferrari guys and gals. I'm back, jet lag and all. got in this am at 5:30am. i am in my office without sleeping yet. JET LAG!!!!! i carry 250/500/100 limits. Plus a 1,000,000 umbrella. You do not have to be a millionaire to be sued like one but everybodies situation to risk mgt in our lives is different and needs to be evaluated on a individual bassis. If you want to reach me post a thread here and i will get in touch with you. i do not want to advertise my business and get in trouble but if i can give some professional advice to my fellow ferrari nuts i am available.
     
  9. David_S

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    Wow, this thread had me dreading dragging my Euro P-car 928 into the test station. I put it off as long as I could (pink final notice form expires this month) & ran a tank spiked with Techron through the system.

    Finally got off my duff & took the car out for a spirited drive this a.m., then pulled into the test station. They had some trouble entering the non-US vin (even with my printed out notice), but after that it was onto the treadmill like everyone else.

    Guess I shouldn't have worried, it passed with flying colors!

    HC max .407 result .026
    CO max 3.804 result .299

    Wooo Hoooo!!
     
  10. spike308

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    UPDATE:

    so, she is at LFSC....
    the catalytic convertor (sp?) is shot, and going on a plane to California for a rebuild (apparently $750, versus new for $1800). They have sent many out there, they say, with very good results, for a lot less money. Then there is the labor...
    This is getting a bit pricey.... hope this is it for awhile!
    As usual, the guys at LFSC are being very good to me....
    they are going to take it to the emmissions nazis and get her tested, so I don't have to!

    as a side comment... I'm on vacation, using dial-up...

    SO............ SLOW..................................
     
  11. Tod328gts

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    Well, i'm still waiting to get my car back from Continental so i can attack those Emmision Nazis. I'm affraid i'm going to have to leave my other arm at Continental after this A/C replacement they are doing... GULP....

    When i had my car in for it's Major in Feburary, they checked the Emmision gasses and said it was good, so, i am not affraid of not passing the test, just going there....
     
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  13. Tod328gts

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    Well, i spoke too soon, took my car today and they tested it twice and it FAILED both times..... Well, my car is going back to continental on tuesday for it's 4th A/C compressor, i will just take the emmision results to them..

    From what the emmision guy was saying, they have a new way of checking the system, they use Grams per Mile, to where the old system, like the one the dealer has uses Parts per million..... Hmmmm??????

    I was nervious, but they let me sit in the passanger seat during the testing, a lot of good that did, now i will have to go back there again... HAH!
     
  14. Michael RPM

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    Hey Tod: I was just looking at the Chicagoland Ferrari Calendar and I just noticed today was the anniversary of your car, so Happy Anniversary, and with all the bad luck you've had lately, at least you're driving it today! Have a great 4th!
     
  15. tifosi12

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    Ah, shuks.

    Mike, you continue to amaze me.

    And happy anniversary to Tod and his amore nero.
     
  16. FerrariFrank1

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    Tod. Did you have them (Continental) hook the computers back up in your car? I recall you saying that when you had your 30K service,you had something unplugged to get a few more Prancing Horses out of your car. Did you remember to hook that back up before you took it in for testing?
     
  17. Tod328gts

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    Thanks Michael... Yea, it's been a year and i already added 7k miles on the car.. But, this Nero car has a Nero cloud above it lately, hopefully it goes away soon....
     
  18. Tod328gts

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    Yes, i thought about that after i left the emmisions place, i thought, maybe if i pull back around, plug that connector in and try it again??? HAH!! Well, the car is going back in tuesday, i'll ask Gary about that, i'm sure thats all it is....
     
  19. tifosi12

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    Well, it was time to have her tested and she failed: 2.3 HC instead of 2.0

    Going to the shop on Monday. This is going to be costly...
    :(

    PS: I applied for the showcar exception and was turned down because of my insurance policy. Life sucks.
     
  20. FerrariFrank1

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    In my own experiences with other cars. Thats usually fixed with a new O2 Sensor...Worse,New Cats...:(

    Did you have her warmed up really good? You gotta have your Cats really Hot to burn off any unburned Gases. They sell some stuff at Auto Parts stores that Guarantees that your car will pass Emissions. I never tried it,though....But,I think it stays in your Cats and helps them get Hotter. Thus burning off the Unburned Gases that an "Unhealthy" Cat won't. Has anyone else ever tried that stuff and had successful results?

    You aren't off by very much...Just need alittle help. And,I recall Bill saying that putting Alcohol in your tank will help...How much? I don't know....Good Luck!
     
  21. tifosi12

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    I drove the car for half an hour, so should have been warmed up all right.
    No 308 car has 02 sensors, that would have been an easy fix.
    Getting new cats for two more inspections (before it reaches 25 years) sounds like financial overkill.
    Never heard of that stuff you mention, but it would sure be interesting to hear opinions about it.
    I could do the deal with alcohol, that's a plan B. Problem there is that you might damage the engine from running too lean and that your CO values suffer in consequence.
    And I'm not even sure whether I'm off by much or not. Yes it sounds like a small percentage of around 13% but I don't know whether these scales are linear, progressive or degressive. So we might be talking gigantic problems here or none whatsoever.
    Anyway I talked to my mechanic and he told me horror stories for an hour after which I left even more depressed than when I left Emissions.
    :(
     
  22. FerrariFrank1

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    Yeah,I knew that 308's didn't have O2 sensors...I was just saying that it was the problem,that was fixed,in a couple of my (other) cars that I've owned. (relating to a "Simple Fix".) I guess that I've always been fortunate to have been able to Correct Emissions problems on my own.(Mostly on Chevy's.)

    But,Cats are a more Expensive fix...But,that will definitely fix the Problem...(Relating to a less simple,more expensive Fix. Well,for a Ferrari,that is. Very inexpensive on "Regular Cars".)

    Another alternative would be to "lean it out" just a little and see what happens. Then,put it back the way it was after the Test...(as long as you pass it...That is....)

    Hydrocarbons being unburned Gas(es). Maybe a new set of Plugs could help,too...?
     
  23. screentime

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    I tried to use the showcar exemption form, and I had the proper showcar insurance, but the Downers Grove emissions location said it still had to be tested. Good luck!
     
  24. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Hmm, so much for plan B.

    Well, there is still plan C, D and E.
     
  25. atheyg

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    High HC are a sign of unburnt fuel, you probably have a slight miss.

    A plug change and clean your distributor caps for start, check for a bad plug extender or wires.
     
  26. Bob308GTS

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    I've been using the showcar exemtion for years now and NEVER had trouble, when the state accepts your app for exemption you recieve a test number on the certificate and the next date the car is due to be tested, your plate # should not have been in the system for testing. Just got my AV plates so no more test notices for me.
     
  27. RocketBoy

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    Andreas,

    Whatever you wind up doing I hope it works out. Air Team kept on my case and threatened to issue a ticket or suspend my license despite the fact I kept filling out their form properly that the car in question was one of the cars I stored in Florida. My experiences, what I read about them, and now what you have gives me little faith in their operation despite their efforts in trying to do some sort of environmental work. Their cornering behavior seems like a headache that gives you little options other than opening up your wallet. Best of luck and I hope you get out of this hassle ok.

    RocketBoy
     
  28. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Well, it went to the shop this morning. Hopefully they can fix it on a budget.
     

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