ENGINE IN BELT SERVICE- PART II

The cars left the factory with the issue of fuel lines rubbing, hence the recall. Bit diff to what you say mate.

 

Wow unbelievable. Give me an hour to get home and I will post links.

 

I've had three Diablo fire cars through here due to poor hoses, just starting another now in fact. I have had to replace a couple of 355's tank vent hoses, never seen or had a fuel leak from any other area on 355, just looked up, that's in over 40 belt/major/full engine out services. Or whatever you'd like to call them.

Your argument is that parts are/were/could be badly refitted. Surely that's the shop/techs fault whether work is engine in or out?

 

Well yes it is. Like I said. It has been a problem and has caused fires.
Surly there must be some one who can back me up.
I am currently mobile. Will post links when home.

 

Perhaps there are just people that should stick with working fail safe cars like honda/toyota

 

This happened to mine after servicing. The fuel line was reinstalled improperly and was luckily caught by a different shop before anything caught fire, although it was leaking fuel for years. I don't know the details behind it, but I think the part in question was actually recalled by Ferrari not too long ago due to there being so many occurrences of improper installation. My have been a different piece but I'm sure someone who knows better can chime in.. here's a pic of the leaky part.
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The issues is that the crank pulley bolt is blocked by the engine crossmember, removing the fuel tank doesn't do anything to fix that problem. I'd surmise they disconnect the motor mounts and raise the engine up an inch or so to get to the crank bolt and pull the crank pulley far enough forward to get to the belts, should only need to come forward a 1/4" to do so.

If I were confident the timing marks were spot on I could see doing it that way, but it honestly seems like a six of one, half dozen of the other unless you don't have the equipment to remove the engine.

 

These quotes show that an engine out CAN cause fires and potential fires because of fittings incorrectly fitted by work shops.
Go do a search and read the threads. Engine fire after engine out service.

 

Exactly, that's what I was mplying and getting **** for suggesting it. This problem HAS caused fires.
All this came about because Angelis said that his car had an engine in belt change, and he had to take it back due to a fuel leak. He was implying that it was a fire hazard caused by an engine in belt change.
I simply said that there are also documented accounts of fires also starting after an engine out service to.
For a while I thought I was the only person on this forum to have read about it in the past

 

See my post above yours, my case made. If one of my mechanics did this they would be gone faster then s**t through a goose. Fuel service MUST be checked and re checked.Critical safety issue


http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142902622-post30.html

 

A careless oversight that should have been obvious. There was no excuse for this regardless who was responsible.

Brian.S is right, the fuel tank return lines are a more likely leak point. These are only disconnected when removing the tank. Removing the fuel tank is only slightly less effort than to remove the engine. This is a fact that would be known to anyone that actually had experience doing both. Ferrari designed the engine/gearbox assembly as a package that would be easy ( a relative term) to remove for service. For an ill-equipped person without the proper equipment necessary, it seems difficult. Floor jacks and furniture dollies are NOT the proper equipment. If you are servicing your own car and choose to butcher the chassis so that the crankshaft pulley can be removed "in the car", that's your business. If you are doing it for someone else and representing it as a proper "major service", you are committing an act of vandalism, are a crook and are cheating them, even at a greatly reduced price. As anyone that has actually done it would know. There is much more to a "major service" than merely replacing belts. It is a fact that the index marks on camshafts are only intended as "starting points" during assembly and will most likely not be in close alignment when the engine is properly timed. The only reasonable way that this can be achieved is with the use of dial indicators and a degree wheel. Good luck doing this with the engine in the car. Claiming that all four of the marks were lined up when the belts were tensioned is almost a guarantee that the timing is a bit off. Servicing a Ferrari is a lot of work and is expensive. Even if nobody is being cheated.

Ferrari issued a recall (RC48) on the fuel block of 355s because of the chance for leaks due to abrasion from improperly installed hose clamps adjacent to the fuel lines. I've installed a few of these on cars that didn't get the work done by a dealer. My understanding is that this was a preventative action. Ferraris, like all gasoline-fueled vehicles are subject to fires but I am not personally aware of any fires that actually occurred because of this particular part.
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Dino
You seem to have done belts with engine in and out. If you were to do the belts with engine in <tank> . Could you still do your cam seals if you had too?I dont think it would be a problem but i'm not sure,and have you ever changed cams seals with engine in?
Thanks

 

Mate if I told you yes, some one would say no just for the hell of it.
If I said no, some one would come on and say yes.
It does not pay to have any knowledge or experience around here. Not unless you are a consultant. And if you do dare to say anything, its always the specialist/consultants who give you ****. Just an observation
I will say this though. There is very little that cant be done to the engine while its in. I put it to a forum consultant last week.For him to tell me what can be done to a 360 engine sat in the car, that cannot be done in a 355. Still waiting for an answer.

 

Thats why i asked if it can be done..and if you have ever done them in the car yourself. Dont worry i will believe you.Just wondering.

 

Michael it's pretty tight in there for the front seals. I have not done the cam seals with the engine in it was out. I'm not near my car it's in California or I would look but if you look you will see what I mean. That being said many things are possible but trust me most of the time I spent taking my engine out was spent taking off all the stuff you would need to take off to get at the cam seals. Once you get all the intake stuff off I would say its less than three hours to drop the engine and then you got lots of room. As others stated years ago you will oftain find other stuff that is not broke but is also not on the best of shape. If all you were doing was the seals you could take the twelve bolts out and slide the engine back 4 inches and then you would have a lot more room without actually dropping the engine. Just my opinion.

 

Thanks Grant
Next year when I do my belts I will drop the engine because there is a lot of things that I would like to do like coat my headers and stuff.i was just wondering if the seals could be done the tank way.i know the room is very tight.

 

Even the lazy cheapo Stooges do it "engine out."

 

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