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  1. Ferrarium

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    FYI, when you replace the sensors you don't replace the shims as they were, you have to measure the depth and add as needed. The housing changes over time.

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    I believe the distance should be between 0.9mm and 0.35mm (but the units of measurement aren't shown in the WSM)

    Just standing on the (broad) shoulders of those before me ;)
     
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    Image Unavailable, Please Login Thank you very much for your useful comments!
    I shall check these sensors when i’ll Be back from holidays.
    I’m spend 2 weeks in the French Alpes to ride my race bicycle .
     
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    I had more than 1 mm distance on the left sensor, now around 0.7 mm.
    I better get a sensor in stock... :)
     
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    You are in the french Alps?
    Maybe You saw one of my fellow citicens there, he has has also been biking in france the last weeks. You cant miss him, he´s wearing a yellow shirt. :):):)
     
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    You can set the sensor gaps anywhere between 0.35 an 0.9 mm (better not too close to the limits) but, whatever gap you decide to have on one, you have to bring the other one to that gap as close as possible (thus the very thin shims).
     
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    Sorry to come back with this but maybe you can guide my search.
    Why the left side vaccum gauge has a shaking arrow ?
    If i listen carefully the engine sound, i hear a very small difference accorfing if the arrow shakes more or less.
    Do you have any idea ?
    I must find the solution to balance it.
     
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    Can you post a picture of your vacuum gauges. The vacuum in the intakes is pulsing rather strongly so the gauges normally have adjustable buffers to keep the needles steady. Below is my vintage vacuum gauge set (before and after balancing of my 348) where you can see small taps at bottoms of the pictures with which you can reduce the opening to the gauges and eliminate the pulsing.

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    Ah ok….
    I didn’t received any buffers with my gauges.
    I shall try to buy two buffers somewhere
     
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    Looks like your kit is from the same manufacturer as mine (bought ~25 years ago, Taiwan made), still unchanged. Yes, the grey things appear to be valves to control the pulsing. These seem to be the newer version as compared to what is on my kit. Looking at the clearer picture I found on Ebay, I can see that the cap on the grey thing is screwed-on, probably to control the opening. Have a look at it, perhaps the one on the jumping needle line is not adjusted correctly. You also try to unscrew the cap and see if some part is missing inside.

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    Hi guys,
    I'm back from holidays, so it is time to work on my 348 engine !
    I shall try to balance the vacuum in the intakes but i can not follow the balancing procedure as described in the WSM.
    I do not know what procedure is used in the case of the 2.5 mechanical IAC valves.
    It seems that the Ferrari dealer doesn't how to do it either !
    My idea is to warm up the engine until the fan switches on, then connect the vacuum gauges on the intakes.
    Do you think it is the right way ?
     
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    Perfect, thank you very much !
     
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    Just noticed the instruction in the above extract on the CO adjustment by the screws (pots) on the MAF sensors. There have been discussions here on whether the CO screws are effective only during the open loop or all the time. The instruction in the extract appears to suggest that the CO screws are effective all the time since, prior to the described CO adjustment, the WSM (on page C35) states that the engine should first be warmed-up to 80C by which time the engine will be well into the closed loop.

    Or is this, perhaps, another one of the Ferrari WSM "imperfections"?
     
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    I don't have the later C81 to C89 pages anyone have those?
     
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    Talking about balancing of the banks, I have completed my IAC valve controller (for the 2.7 engines). The controller keeps the two IAC-s steadily at exactly the same openings (as selected by the pot) enabling bank vacuum balancing at the specified 850 rpm. Tested it today only for the idle control (works very well), will do the vacuum re-balancing later in the week.

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    #120 marc556, Aug 10, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2022
    So guys, here are the last news:
    Crank sensors are new and prefetly adjusted
    Temp senors are new
    Fuel pumps are new
    injectors are new
    relays are new
    fuel pressure regulators are new
    Throttle bodies are cleaned
    Gas linkage command perfectly adjusted
    Coils (+ampli) are new

    This afternoon, i shall rebalance the intake pressures with the info you gave me
    Tomorrow when the engine will be cold,..... ECU reset

    I hope that the car will be ok for the next 30 years !
     
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    Guys, the job is done.
    Now, the start when the engine is cold is perfect and when it is hot...... ALSO !
    I'd like to thank everybody for the comments.
    One important thing, with your knowledge, i increase mine !
     
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    "injectors are new" where did you get injectors Marc or where they rebuilt?
     
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    One of my friends in Belgium gave me the injectors.
     
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    Bonjour Marc,

    What FuelPressure Sensors did you use?
    Sperformance sells them €500 a piece
    I am looking at Volvo V90 parts (under 100.)
     
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    Hi guys,
    I shall do my first trip for this year next saturday ! I’m so Happy !
    I want to check once again the vaccum balance in the intakes.
    I shall use the gauges as shown before in this thread. So just a stupid question......
    I shall connect the tubes on each side of the intake but where exactely ?
    So i must disconnect existant engine small tubes to connect mine.....
    May i need to use ‘T’ connectors or i do not need to reconnect the original engine tubes for my test ?

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