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Engine starts over winter storage, timing belt

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Alex74, Dec 8, 2022.

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  1. Alex74

    Alex74 Rookie

    Nov 16, 2022
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    Madrid, Spain
    Hi :)

    I'd like to know what different people are doing with regards to starting the engine from time to time when the car is not being used for months.

    I guess all moving elements benefit from changing their position every now and then: belts, tires, engine internals from pistons to valves and so on.

    I'm specially interested in the timing belt. Do you guys leave it sitting in the same position for 4 months? Do you make sure it changes its position every 20 days or something? I guess you don't start the spring season with a fresh belt every year, do you?

    I live in a place where you don't do these things (it's extremely dry throughout the year and cars don't really rust), but I'm interested in how much stress these belts take safely. The greatest stress for these belts seem to be related to a cold start after a long period sitting in the same position.

    Cheers,

    Alex
     
  2. Dave Bertrand

    Dave Bertrand Formula Junior
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    Good question. Back in the winter of '88-'89 in Denver, we had a two week stretch of daily high temperatures of -20 to -25 F. My car at the time was parked outside 24/7 and it had a timing chain, not a belt. Nevertheless, when attempting to start the car one morning after a particularly cold night, the chain was so brittle from the cold that it broke as soon as the engine started to turn over. It was an interference engine so it had to be rebuilt.

    A super cold belt would be something I'd lose sleep over, but if the car is garaged and it doesn't get too cold in there, you should be alright. Maybe wait for a warmer day if it bothers you. As for me, I don't bother to start the car just to keep things moving. I'll let it sit still over the 2-3 colder months (Jan-Mar), and take an occasional drive in the other months when temperatures break above 40 F or so. My belief is that starting a car when it's stone cold and all the oil is in the pan does more harm than letting the moving parts stay in one place for a couple of months.
     
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  3. Alex308qv

    Alex308qv Formula Junior

    Jul 1, 2016
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    I live in the northeast (eastern PA) and used to start mine every 2 weeks and run it for 15-20 minutes, running the A/C for 5 minutes or so to keep the seals lubed, maybe also rolling it in and out of the garage. But now I do exactly what Dave B does. Many of my friends do not touch theirs over the winter (other than filling the tank and adding stabilizer when putting away). I'm now concerned (probably unjustly) about stiff timing belts, plus my limited slip diff becomes a "locker" in below freezing temps (I use MTL by the way).
     
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  4. Alex74

    Alex74 Rookie

    Nov 16, 2022
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    Madrid, Spain
    Thanks very much for the useful comments. Clearly these belts can take much more stress than my area imposes. Temperatures here are milder than you're reporting, garaged cars probably don't reach 0º C.
     
  5. 020147

    020147 F1 Rookie
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    My Ferrari is a chain car, so timing belt are not a worry of mine. It’s sitting in its own garage at 65 degrees (F) with a full tank of stabilized/ethanol freeI fuel. I need to start it to put the car on its flat stoppers after that it will not be touched until the dealer picks it up for service. If I can I would like to bring it down to the main garage for a wash.

    I do not subscribe to the thought that idling the car is putting the engine through its paces the way driving it does. I personally feel it’s best to just leave it be as opposed to dry starting a stored engine and listening to it idle. On a direct injection car, like mine I would also argue that extended idling will foul the valves out with carbon deposits much faster than a properly used cars engine, be it for your Ferrari or Kia.
     
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  6. Nospinzone

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    Unless your belt is around 10+ years old, I would have zero concern that it will break. That being said , I wouldn't start the car unless you intend to drive it for about 30 minutes.
     
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  7. Alex74

    Alex74 Rookie

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    I was surprised to find many Ferrari engines have a belt. I thought chains were superior.

    Fantastic care :)

    I've heard this many times. Don't leave the car to "warm up" before driving to decrease wear. Start the engine and drive.
     
  8. Nospinzone

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    I never "warm up" my cars in cold weather by letting them idle. There are other moving parts that also need to warmed up, such as the transmission, suspension and tires. I just drive off but do so easily until everything gets up to operating temperature.
     
  9. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    I warm up my cars in the cold. I just like to get into a warm car..
     
  10. Alex74

    Alex74 Rookie

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    Apparently, the engine doesn't generate much heat / build much temp by idling anyway, so it doesn't even have that benefit.
     
  11. Nospinzone

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    I'm not sure where you are Tom, but from your location I'm guessing it is not just cold, it's brutally cold. :D
     
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  12. Solid State

    Solid State F1 World Champ
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    It's obvious to me that cold engines get warm by running unless the temp gauges are lying. Even the sound of an engine changes as it is warmed properly. Doesn't matter what brand it is.
     

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