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Enzo Replacement - True Production Numbers

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by 134282, May 22, 2012.

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How many "extras" will be made of the Enzo replacement?

  1. 20%

  2. 25%

  3. 30%

  4. 50%

  5. 75%

  6. 100%

  7. None! Ferrari would never make more than they claim!

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  1. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    The price, to me, is irrelevant. What I'm more focused on is true production numbers. With the Enzo, Ferrari made 25% more Enzos than they said they would; with the Aperta, 100% more.

    The 550 Barchetta was the last limited production model where each individual car had a series number (e.g., 001/448). After that, limited production models (SuperAmerica, Sessanta, 16M, 599 GTO) were not adorned with individual series numbers, making it increasingly difficult to keep track of true total production numbers. With the Aperta, Ferrari was flagrant about skirting the line between offering exclusivity while simultaneously taking advantage of making more than they said they would by making the series number plaque a $1,000 option (for which only a few people paid, allowing them to churn out twice as many as promised).

    With this elevated level of money-making from all angles, I wonder just how far Ferrari will push the envelope with true production numbers versus the limited production number they'll tout for exclusivity purposes.

    I'm no attorney, but I know that misleading customers - who are paying a premium for exclusivity - has to be skirting the law in one way or another. But they're really good at it, so I'm interested to see just how many "extras" they make this time around. Anyone care to guess?
     
  2. boiseferrari

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    They will make as many as they can sell. I agree announcing a "limited" number with a specific stated number then making more than that number is shady. However they are a for profit company and have the right to make as many as they want. I think the only way this would become a leagal problem is if someone who actually got a "limited" production car sued Ferrari. Then the customer would have to prove that Ferrari made more than the stated number and it somehow hurt that customer. Considering the current market for the over produced "limited" cars I don't believe anyone will forge that route.

    Anyways my guess is 25-30% more than stated number. :)
     
  3. PAP 348

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    What about the F40?? 150% more cars made than originally planned? :eek:
     
  4. 134282

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    Good point! It's hard to argue that excessive numbers have adversely affected the market value when current Enzo prices are 200% of sticker.

    I don't know that Ferrari ever said they'd make a specific number of F40s - just that it would be limited. They did the same with the Stradale, the 430 Scuderia, and the 599 HGTE. But the 348 Serie Speciale, 355 Series Fiorano, F50, 550 Barchetta, Enzo, SuperAmerica, 599 GTO and SA Aperta are all limited editions with a defined number of cars built, with an emphasis on only.
     
  5. Clubsport78

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    I would say around 25-30%.
     
  6. rossocorsa13

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    What is the official projected production number? ~400?

    I wouldn't be surprised to see 500 produced, even in this economy. The hype for Ferrari supercars is still as big as it was with the Enzo; perhaps bigger.

    25% over production does not sound unreasonable in light of their decisions over the last twenty years.
     
  7. 134282

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    There is no projected production number yet for the Enzo replacement. But when the Enzo was first announced, the number was 349 (just like the F50, Luca said they'd make one less than they knew they could sell); but demand was so strong, they decided to bump it up to 399. Today nearly 500 are accounted for, with another few dozen as yet undiscovered.
     
  8. Ferrari FXX

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    Does it really matter if they make 25% more? They know that out of 400 Enzos about 25- 50 of them will be crashed and lost forever. So it all equals out to about 400.
     
  9. TOOLFAN

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    Whatever they can get away with......quietly.
     
  10. Napolis

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    IMO if they charge 1.3MM euro and Greece goes which I think it will tanking things for a while they'll be easier to buy than many think.

    As always they'll make as many as they can sell.
     
  11. TOOLFAN

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    Agreed. Ferrari are still testing some interesting ideas with this car and no one seems to have an exact idea about what is going to happen, not even Ferrari.
     
  12. 134282

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    Not really; 25% of 400 is 100, not 25-30. And Ferrari rebuilt each totaled Enzo using the same VIN, so those cars aren't even counted in the number of overages mentioned in the original post.
     
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    It's my hunch that demand will be pretty high for this car. For whatever reason (performance, wild looks, the name, internet exposure?) the Enzo became a pretty famous car by Ferrari standards, more than the F50.

    500 units would be a good starting point IMO.

    -F
     
  14. Ferrari 360 CS

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    My total guess is they will make 600.
     
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    300 < F70 < 1000
     
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    Do you think that's the official number, or the true total/unofficial number?
     
  17. willcrook

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    this.

    the question is just how many people will be 'invited' to buy?
     
  18. joe sackey

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    I think this thread reminds us of why the first-of-the-series 288 GTO will always remain the rarest of the series in terms of production numbers, and why its value keeps climbing.

    I just sold one this past week for a cool million US $.
     
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    That's pretty cool - though I can't say I'm surprised. Like the F50, I think the GTO's value is still on the rise and won't peak for a while. Any chance you can disclose the most cherished and heralded of all information?
     
  20. joe sackey

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    All I'm at liberty to disclose is that its a car based in the USA going to another USA buyer, so its staying here.
     
  21. 134282

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    Understood.
     
  22. 430 scuderia

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    Absolutely agree...
     

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