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Enzo Successor Still Coming Next Year?

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by JasonSpidey, Aug 8, 2011.

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  1. JasonSpidey

    JasonSpidey Karting

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    Automotive News today had an article detailing Ferrari's future lineup, and most of it jives with what we've heard from other sources, but one piece of news seemed a little odd:

    "Limited-edition car: The successor to the Enzo limited-edition supercar is set to go on sale in 2012. The all-carbon fiber model will be powered with a new, normally aspirated V-12 and will herald weight-reduction and fuel-saving technologies that Ferrari plans to adapt to its entire range by the end of decade.

    It is unclear how many units Ferrari plans to build. The company built 399 units of the Enzo, launched in 2002, and 349 units of predecessor, the 1995 F50."

    (Original source: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110808/OEM04/308089993/1305)

    I know Ferrari execs were mentioning a 2012 timeline for an Enzo successor a while back, but since we hadn't heard much or seen much since then, I figured it'd been pushed down the list of priorities.

    Besides, some of the details just sound a little...off. Isn't Ferrari avoiding carbon fiber in favor of aluminum these days? And shouldn't we have seen test mules and the like running around if it's arriving next year?

    All that aside, it also seems like if Ferrari is really planning on dropping a limited-edition supercar in 2012, they'd be reaching out to Enzo owners and their best customers to gauge interest. So...anyone out there been contacted regarding a new mid-engine V12 supercar next year?
     
  2. SefacHotRodder

    SefacHotRodder F1 World Champ

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    NA V12? Thats not what everyone else has been saying...
     
  3. Ferrari FXX

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    For the special run models like the 40, 50 and Enzo yes it will be carbon fiber carbon tub. For models like the 458, 599 successor it will still be aluminum.

    As for 2012? Who knows. People around here are quite as a cemetery when it comes to the Enzo's successor. Some people think strongly Ferrari is going to go with a TT V8 pumping out around 800 HP.

    They've already reached out to owners by conducting the FXX program, that program was the testing bed for the Enzo's successor. I also believe the 599FX is also some what a testing program.
     
  4. crinoid

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    TT V12 baby ! ! !
     
  5. Miura Jota

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    Fact is :

    Enzo has been the longest longevity in SuperFerrari ; almost 10 years old


    whereas

    288GTO was replaced 2 years after it was introduced
    F 40 was replaced 8 years '' '' '' ''
    F50 '' '' 7 years '' '' '' ''
     
  6. George330

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    I haven't heard anything yet. However the last time I spoke to the factory they indicated that prospective buyers will not be contacted before October 2011 and deliveries would take place late 2012 or early 2013. I am not expecting a call, but it would be nice to get one!
     
  7. bgck13

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    No. They are avoiding CF on their "mass production" vehicles. From my understanding their supercars are exempt from that. The reason given was that they still do not fully understand the long term integrity of CF. To most of their supercar clients money is generally not an object. Having to replace a carbon fiber tub 15 years down the line is not a huge deal. However, when you are looking at an entry level Ferrari and you have to replace the tub or other critical components, the astronomical price is quite significant.
     
  8. greyboxer

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    Which kind of backs up something I was told that dealers and/or importers had been asked to begin to think about who might be invited to purchase : prospective buyers cannot be contacted unless the factory already knows who to contact
     
  9. TexasF355F1

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    Am I the only one that finds it a little strange there haven't been any sort of spy photos of anything?
     
  10. Ferrari FXX

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    Thats what I'm wondering a little. Haven't seen a peep of anything. When they start testing it would probably be a mule of the 458 or perhaps a 430 or something. We'd never have any clue what the actual car would look like.
     
  11. crinoid

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    They are using Ferrari's new cloaking technology that renders the car completely invisible. The model will be called the Ferrari Bird of Prey.
     
  12. Cozmic_Kid

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    So are these the test mules for the engines you think? Video claim them to be TT V8 458's

    http://bilmagasinet.dk/article/76875-ferrari-458-med-turbo
     
  13. Kevin2772

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    It wouldnt surprise me in the least for them to use modified 458's considering the enzo was tested in a modified 355/348 thing.

    What ever happened to eric claptons V12 458. I always felt that would have been a good rumor to spread incase people saw a V12 458 running around testing to say its for that car instead of the enzo successor.
     
  14. PaulK

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    As much as I love a V12 Ferrari, the thought of having a V8TT with 800hp in a car the size of a a big shoebox with all the drama and beauty of a racing Ferrari really appeals to me.
     
  15. dylantog

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    haha
     
  16. Mr. Francesco

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    I'm choosing to not believe anything about the next Ferrari supercar until Ferrari officially releases information to the general public or to a reputable source :)
     
  17. Mr. Francesco

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    I agree with this :)
     
  18. SouthernThunder

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    +1
     
  19. Therry

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    V12 :D great news
     
  20. George330

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    Spoke to two dealers. One was cagey, told me no cars are available, they are all sold out etc. but it wasnt clear he knew what he was talking about. I then spoke to a dealer who services at least one client who owns all 4 Ferrari super cars and will be buying the new one. He told me categorically that the process has not started and he expects to hear from the factory in no less than a month. He has NO information on spec or price which suggests it is still early days... He also confirmed that the first owners won't probably get their cars before Q4 2012.
     
  21. REALZEUS

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    #21 REALZEUS, Aug 11, 2011
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    What about a 1000+ HP 6.5 litre V12 revving at over 9k RPM? Doesn't that sound better? It does! Only problem is that Ferrari is probably going down the easier turbo road. What a shame...
     
  22. ml321

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    sounds great, but doubt that it is possible while ensuring engine reliability
     
  23. REALZEUS

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    #23 REALZEUS, Aug 12, 2011
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    This would be basically a reworked FXX Evo engine. Achievable specific power if you are Ferrari. As for reliability, these cars cover minimal miles anyway and are thoroughly serviced. I am afraid we won't see such a motor though... :(
     
  24. modena1_2003

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    Ferrari have already put in months of testing nobody caught on to. I'm sure they're not testing the 599 any more, so whatever beat-up, mule-like Fioranos driving around Maranello - which have been spotted in the last few years - have probably been housing some electronic or mechanical do-dad for the new car.

    The fact of the matter is that this is not the 458. Ferrari will simply 'reveal' this car after maybe a single clump of photos surface a week before.

    Nobody knows anything about release dates but those who are close to their dealer's GM's and that's just a possibility. Only time will tell. Same thing happened when they where developing the Enzo. We just got the majority of the development photos well after the car's release. :)
     
  25. modena1_2003

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    I'd say the easier road would be to build an engine they already know. Implementing forced induction after a 22 year absence of said technology forces the engineers with decades of experience with naturally aspirated engines to reconsider and re-engineer many of their old designs in addition to including X-number of different mechanical devices to satisfy the needs of forced induction.

    I have no problems with 800hp, or less. If this car weighs as little as is being hypothesized, I'd tell you that top speed is completely irrelevant if it can shave seconds through the corners off an Enzo. This car will be a complete revolution, and if they used a rocket, I'd still want to hear what they had to say.
     

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