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    In October 1960, Jesse Alexander got to drive and review two (silver & black) of the three GTE Prototypes for Auto Motor und Sport magazine. He says in the article that the third (the white 1903 GT) was not available for testing as it was "being used by Commendatore Ferrari himself".
     

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    At this time the white car was carrying serial number 1287GT and plates "MO 54083". One should be very very careful when attaching serial numbers to the renumbered cars. If you look at the photos published in AMS, the plates on the silver 1287GT - the first prototype - have already been been removed for the obvious reason.

    Sort of funny that factory archive seems to be of no help when trying to sort out these cases as old papers seem often to have been thrown away as soon as they were not needed anymore.
     
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    Have you seen a photo of the white car with "MO 54083" and without the side louvers?
     
  10. kare

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    No, don't think such exist. Louvers were added first.
     
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    This car sold last month at Bonhams for $225k when it was "believed" to be Enzo's car. Dealer now asking $595k and it appears it has become definitive...I would be curious to see what information the dealer has that Bonhams did not but i'm pretty sure I know the answer
     
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    Hello, looking at the photos of this car, I had a question, and what chassis number was still on this car?
    If you look at the records from the factory, this is a 2257 SA, PF job number 50,000 chassis using a four-liter engine from the 400 Super America model.
    At the same time, again based on factory records, the 2257 GT chassis is used on a regular 250 GTE car.
    I have an assumption that the chassis number of this car is 1287 SA and this car never carried the chassis number 2257.
    It is interesting to hear your opinion on this car.


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  14. Marcel Massini

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    See the new 250 GTE 2+2 book by David Wheeler that explains it all.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Marcel,
    please clear this up for us. If we would buy all the books, we would not need this forum...
     
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    He also owned a 365GT 2+2 in Azzurro Metalizzato and is now in the collection of Mr. Louis Camilleri CEO of Ferrari
     
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    Not at all clear. Would be interesting to know which car Enzo used late 1963/early 1964 shown in the the middle photo with a 158 in the foreground. I presume this is a S.3 production car picked out of production line, as I cannot see why he would hassle with experimental cars when the model had already been matured to final specification and was about to be phased out.
     
  18. Marcel Massini

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    Plate "MO 54083" was used on four different cars. All four were re-numbered. First three had 2600 mm wheelbase and the last of the four involved had 2650 mm wheelbase.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    By the way: Davids book is great. He got it absolutely right. Interesting history, facts, photos, owners stories and lots of details including data. It is a must have for all interested in Ferrari GTE‘s.
     
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    At least four wb/2600 cars, there may be more.
     
  21. Marcel Massini

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    No.

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    Which one was wb/2650? 1287 was never renumbered, it was scrapped still wearing that number.
     
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    When I visited Jean Guikas' inventory and private collection in 2009 he showed me what looked like a Lusso but was longer. He mentioned he bought it from Bill Orr, from a Colorado Ferrari dealership...
     
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    Guikas got 3097 SA on the 15th October 1996. Title was in the name of Kays Kars in Denver/CO.
    See also Cavallino magazine #58 of August 1990.
    Enzo Ferrari had taken over this super Lusso from SEFAC S.p.A. on 29 April 1963, sold it 11 September 1963 to Joseph Massaglia, Jr. owner of the Hotel Miramar in Santa Monica. From Massaglia it went to Asa Clark in Beverly Hills and on 29 January 1969 Clark sold it to Ed Niles. He re-sold it March 1969 to Jerry E. Craft who was associated with Kirk F. White in PA. It then went to Bob Sutherland in Denver who put it into the Forney Museum of Transportation in Denver where it remained for 20 years.

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    Fixed it for you;)
     
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    Grazie Dottore:)
     
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    Bill Lear used to believe that every Learjet was actually his, he was just letting the current owner use it for a while. He was somewhat notorious for this.

    I always assumed Enzo was the same-- jump in whatever was outside his office.

    Was that not the case?
     
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