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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by GTE, Nov 9, 2004.
Sometimes still the same behaviour/thinking today in Maranello......
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See here for another photo of Enzo and one of his 250GTE's (along with Medardo Fantuzzi, Richie Ginther and Phil Hill among others) sorry if repost, no time to go through thread.
Had finally time to look at this and maintain my opinion that a wb/2650mm version of 250 GTE/330 America was never built. Neither was there ever a purpose for such a car, GTE engine compartment is very long, you can easily fit a 4-litre engine and the new model was going to be all different anyway. Would love to find proof of the opposite, but I'm not holding my breath while waiting for it.
I don't feel very welcome to discuss this subject here, so if people are happy with how things are, I won't bore and confuse you with any new stuff, just wanted to say that I completely disagree with the claim of a wb/2650mm version of 1287GT.
Your posts are never boring!
Same to you! Still remember 20 years ago when I found the pieces you had written for the FCA SW region bulletin on their webpage, and felt both lucky and privileged that day. I still love those pieces as they were both entertaining and amazingly accurate.
What comes to 1287 I presume that plates "MO 54083" were only used on three different car: 1287-1903-2257 and after a long break on 1287 again. I cannot find evidence of a 4th car, but 1287 got updated looking like a Series 3 GTE in period of 1961-63 and got finally sold off to France in 1964. It looks like they were originally planning to do the facelift on Series 2 GTE already, but it got delayed by a year for a reason or another.
You forgot the 4th car, the one with the 2650 mm wheelbase.
Too bad we don't have a serial number for that one.
You can find it.
When did this turn into a forum for children?
Received my copy of the book and instantly noticed a problem. The "wb/2650mm car" has a perfectly round rear wheel even if the photo is taken in slight angle. This suggests that the photo is seriously distorted, which is further confirmed by the pillar angles. My estimate is that the photo is about 6% too long. 6% is a lot. If you add 6% to wheelbase of 2600mm you get 2750mm - that's an extra 6", and we are talking about a claimed 2" difference here.
Basically this means we can make that car anything we like, but I maintain that after correcting the proportions by 6%, the pillar angles are correct and the proportions of the body match standard production body with wb/2600mm quite exactly.
Wheelbase has zero to do with a photo or a specific angle of a pic.
Information comes from factory build sheet and factory archive information. Not from any photo.
The goal posts are moving. The book says "careful study of the profile photograph reveals an extra 50mm of body length between the doors and the rear wheels". Have to disagree on that. It also says you were involved when "we tried to unravel the story of the prototypes".
I am not going to ask which build sheet you refer to and how were you able connect an eventual sheet to a specific car, as I already know you are hardly going to answer that or any other question. Something is very wrong here. At this time I do believe that the car sold to France was the original prorotype 1287GT rebuilt and re-engined and given a little time I also believe that I will be able to prove that. First of all it would make no sense, no sense at all, to renumber a brand new car, and secondly I see a wb/2600mm car in those photos.
Unfortunately I don't trust your word as you seem to claim things light-heartedly these days and rarely provide any proof for the claims you make. You are going to accuse me of provocation again, off course, but that is not the case as it is all true.
Ah, a battle of the Titans. Popcorn time!
(relax, all historians are equal, but some are more equal than others...)