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  1. Imola82

    Imola82 Formula Junior

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    I read last night that Enzo's personal car in the early 60's was a 250 GTE. I am wondering about the color and history of the car? Maybe someone has pictures of it? Thanks for your help.
     
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  3. Ed Niles

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    I can tell you what it is NOT: 2947GT was alleged to be an "Enzo" car, and a prototype 330, but it was proven by our own Marcel to be just a standard 250GTE with no Enzo history.
     
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    BBR offers an Enzo 250 GTE in silvergrey, but I doubt Enzo had really a GTE in his personal possesion. Perhaps he used one from time to time.
     
  5. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    I have heard the same thing. In fact I have seen a picture of him driving one. Maybe that's how the story got started
     
  6. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Wasn't 2169 supposed to be an Enzo car?
     
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  8. michael bayer

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    As Lyndon Johnson on an Air Force base crowdd with planes once said to a young airman attempting to direct the misoriented President back to Air Force One with "Mr President, that's not your airplane" Johnson replied, "Son, they are all mine".

    At one pont they were all Enzos......M
     
  9. Italian Lover

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    Love that Texan mentality. w/ smiles Jimmy
     
  10. ArtS

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    Great Quote Michael! :D

    Regards,

    Art S.

    PS. Someone should start a thread of other Johnson quotes, it would have to be in a subscribed section as I recall many of them are R rated.
     
  11. Miltonian

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    From the road test of the GTE in "Sports Cars Illustrated", January 1961:

    "At the time of this trial there were three Ferrari 2+2's running around Modena. Number one was the original prototype, number two the production prototype and number three the first actual production car. The latter was being used by Commendatore Ferrari himself, and needless to say we did not get our hands on it, but we were able to sample numbers one and two extensively."

    One of the experts can probably identify the serial number of the first production GTE, but I don't know if Enzo used it regularly, or was just "playing" with it.
     
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  13. Il Vecchio

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    There's several photos of Enzo driving a Series 1 330 GT...
     
  14. 330gt

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    There are three 330 GTs in the registry (www.330gt.com) with factory ownership:
    4963 Registered by SEFAC and pictured with Enzo.
    6453 Registered by SEFAC and probably used by Enzo.
    7161 Registered by SEFAC and card from factory dated 1979 and signed by Enzo confirming his ownership.
     
  15. michael bayer

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    Kerry Where is 7161 now? M
     
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    A variation of a quote originally attributed to Henry Ford.
    Another variant is that Ford once sat at the middle of the boardroom table and was told by a subordinate that he should be at the head of the table. Ford's supposed reply; "Wherever I sit is the head of the table".
     
  18. andymont

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    #15 andymont, Aug 5, 2009
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    This is probably the picture you are looking for.
    This was his personal 250 GT 2+2 . An early car with license plate MO 54083 .
    The man on the left is Peppino Verdelli , Enzo Ferrari's mechanic and personal chauffeur for 49 years.

    Ciao
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  19. Cris Bertschi

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    Could be s/n 1287 restamped 2257 or s/n 2257 restamped 1287.
    Not an easy subject.

    Regards.
    Cris.-
     
  20. Jack-the-lad

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    Dean Rusk to LBJ: De Gaulle is demanding that all US troops be removed from French soil.

    LBJ: What did he say about the ones *in* French soil?

    Perhaps apocraphyl but pretty good anyway.
     
  21. Imola82

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    Bingo. thanks.
     
  22. kare

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    At least three different cars used serial number 1287. I believe this one to be 2257. Best wishes, Kare
     
  23. Bill P

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    Fifty years later, it is only possible to speculate which 250 GTEs actually were owned by Enzo Ferrari. Also, "owned" is a strong word. When you own the company I am sure you can borrow a car for awhile if you please. I have him associated with serial numbers 2169, 2257, 2929 and 4919.

    2169, PF job #39705, is considered a pre-production car and was one of two GTEs shown at the October 1960 Paris Motor Show along with 2043. In September 1960 s/n 2169 was in Modena and supposedly serving as Enzo's personal car although I suspect he was simply evaluating it.

    In the case of 2257, this is most likely the car shown in the black and white photo of Ferrari stepping out of the car. It was carried on the company books as a 400 Super America, PF job #50000 (a Super America PF job number, not a 250 GTE job number), using the four-liter engine and called a Campione (sample) Series II GTE. It was definitely built using a 250 GTE body. The destination is listed in PF's records as "Comm. Ferrari." It was reportedly used by him as his personal car for a time.

    2929 is also shown as a Campione (sample) Series II GTE but has a normal, sequential PF job number 39952. It, too, was reported to have had a four-liter engine installed in the beginning and to have been used by Enzo as a personal car.

    4919, a 250 GTE Series III, PF job number 68633, was reputedly used by Enzo. No proof, and no details.

    As you all know, it would enhance a car's value and provenance if an owner could prove that it once was owned by Mr. Ferrari.

    Bill Preston
    250 GTE Register.
     

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