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ERROR in the Workshop Manual of the 348...???

Discussion in '348/355' started by bob348, Sep 21, 2005.

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  1. bob348

    bob348 Formula 3

    Apr 13, 2004
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    I had a problem with the passenger power window of my 348.
    So I decided to check the Electrical diagram first.
    I took the workshop Manual (thx Henkie :) )
    Page L 28 fig 7 (page 438 to 431 on Pdf file..)

    ...and I check the power windows diagram...

    For the driver side, no problem...
    but for the passenger side...ehhh i couldn't undestand anything...
    In fact, i think (if I'm wrong, please let me know...) that there is an error in this diagram.

    For the passenger door RH wndow switch, (see Bottom RH sheet)

    the 1.5 GR is in socket #2
    the 1.5 B is in socket # 3
    ...

    And they must be interverted...

    1.5 GR in socket #3
    1.5 B in socket #2

    Otherwise you'll have always "+" on the window motor...and the driver side RH window switch will nerver do anything...

    Could you please confirm this error ???

    PS: there is another error...the Key contact is numbered 15 not 65...
     
  2. Llenroc

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    That wouldn't be the first time there was an error, I have run across a few. When I read Italian manuals I am always careful to question what I have read. I have learned not to take it for granted, also their translations into english can be interesting. Sorry I didn't really answer your question but if it doesn't look right then it probably isn't. Regards, Vern
     
  3. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    The newer the manual the worse they get. 550 elec man is useless. 360 1st generation shows countless square connectors going to round or rectangular connectors. Engine harness going to light harness etc.

    They keep updating them and auto ship updates to dealers but often the print manuals that are sold only have 1st generation info (bad info is worse than no info).

    Now with everything on CD the dealers are paying $900 each or so for CD's that have junk info only to be replaced with new CD's (at the same Jesse James price) that have some of the old junk corrected only to have new junk introduced.

    Same goes for SD software. Some of the early SD2 software had toxic programs. Thats why I will be waiting a few generations of software to get an SD3.


    And people wonder why it cost's so much to fix a Ferrari.
     
  4. Llenroc

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    Hi Brian, This is sort off topic here but you reminded me of a question. Can a person still buy a SD-1? It would be nice to have one for my 355C. Regards, Vern
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    If 2 are available I would be interested.

    Vern you have a PM.
     
  6. RacerX_GTO

    RacerX_GTO F1 World Champ
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    I never would have thought of it that way... additional time spent searching for the correct information, when it should have been correct in the first place, in addition to the repair itself. :eek:
     
  7. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    It worse than that. Suppose you don't know it's wrong? How many man hours are you going to spend to discover you have been led down the wrong road. Who pays for that?

    Not to mention the parts you have ordered and waited for or the customer whose confidence in you has been undermined all because the most famous car builder in the world cannot get it together enough to make a manual as good as Chilton.

    EVERY specification published in a Ferrari manual has to be looked at with suspicion. EVERY specification has to be confirmed independently.

    The dealers were coerced into buying an electronic torque wrench. I don't remember for sure but the price tag was $8-10k or so, might have even been 12. It was programmed with many torque specs in memory. They were programmed wrong. How many 10's of thousands of dollars did that cost for the damage and comebacks it caused? Didn't cost Ferrari a dime. All they covered was the reprogramming.

    And some people complain that $150 or so an hour is too much. There are Ford and Toyota dealers in this area that charge much more than that and they have great factory support.
     
  8. spider348

    spider348 Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2003
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    Bob348, I am currently working on my driver’s door plug and have found several “errors”. My plan is to remove the driver’s side wheel and inner fender. Open the back of the opposite plug and map the wiring. I will then wire the door plug to match. A bit of a pain but a lot more secure than relying on the error prone factory workshop manual electrical schematics. Good luck!
     

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