Euro carb 308 pics request

78 308 GTS euro. note side marker light in front, absence of rear side marker light, front air dam. all my interior guages are in Km and in itailian. olio, aqua, benzina. and no diaper in the rear, just some fiberglass valence.
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Same here, re. gauges, ets. My '79 308GTB was originally delivered to Germany. My cam covers are black crinkle finish as is my air-box. I have seen this finish only on 308GT4s. Yours? Sorry I don't have a picture here but I do have a couple of shots of the car showing, as does the previous poster's car, the deep chin spoiler and the single exhause w/o a diaper. BTW, the exhaust is stainless and original.

rick #28133
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When I got my car in 1997 it HAD front and rear rectangular sidemarkers added in Florida when it came into this country. The front markers were added in front of the round turn signal repeaters. Those were the only 'federalizing' done to the car as it was 5 years old and therefore a "used car."

When I restored the car I had the rectangular after-market markers removed and the holes repaired with sheet steel, refinished inside and out. The next change I made was removing the 'rat wire' inside of the NACA ducts. My car also had daytime flashing lights, which I removed and stored. The car was originally grigio. I painted it silver but kept the interior dark blue.

Everything else about the car is as it was delivered in Germany. Here are a couple more pictures.

Rick
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Michael,
Here is mine, 308GTB '77 dry sump singel dist. 100% Euro.
Most of the rear Fog lights where addit later by there owners/dealers.Rob
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Wow! There are some really nicely presented 308s here!

Yes, my 308GTB is a dry sump car. I believe the Euro GTBs were dry sump. The Euro GTSs may have been wet sump designs. That is possibly because the closed car was more likely to used on the track.

My car is also a single distributor design. The oil tank location interfers with the rearward distributor position.

The little round lights on the fenders (wings) are turn signal repeaters, not side markers. They only light with the turn signals.

My car has the deep chin spoiler and the modified original design rear valence for a single exhaust. As it has no cat-converters, there is no need for the extra heat insulation and the lower US-spec muffler.

My bumpers, as you can see in the pictures, as much smaller than the US style. In fact, they are just rubber castings filled with eurothane foam! Cosmetic bumpers, I suppose.

I believe the issue of fog lights was a regional thing. My car had neither front or rear fog lights. The rear fog lights, when fitted, were in the bumper.

My car had daytime flashing lights on the front, hanging below the rear of the front bumper and in the grill opening. They allowed the driver to flash his "I'm overtaking, better get over" lights with the headlight doors closed. That's far more important in Germany than here in the states. As I wrote a day or so ago, I removed those lights (one lens broken and the chrome housings are a little pitted) and stored them safely away.

As to weight, I believe my car comes in just under 3000 pounds. You should look at GTBs and GTSs as they are also different inside. The GTS has much bigger sills to make it stiffer since it doesn't have a roof section for stiffness. That limits the leg room a little. Still, that's only an issue if you're pretty big. And if you're pretty big, there are tighter constraints to deal with - headroom being the most severe.

I have hundreds of pictures that I can share as I photo-documented the whole restoration of my car from bare metal up. This is not the place for that much noise but once I find my box of CD-ROMs, I can PM them to you or put them on a website.

I have owned two Ferraris - and one of them twice! Both were "Euros". You'll hear horror stories about US dealerships not serviceing them, and poor treatment from dealers. I have used FoDallas and FoHouston and have had great service on both cars. Perhaps there was once some backlash to gray-market cars but today that is pretty much urban legend. Besides, the cars are made in Europe! What can be non-standard about a "Euro" Ferrari?!

Regards,

Rick

 

Oh man i love the Euro front bumper. It looks 10x better than the American one.

 

I don't wish to poopoo anyone's car (I mean, they are FAMILY.) but I have always liked the GTBs better. They feel better, for sure, and to my eye, they look much better. I have never had an attraction to the 'targa' look.

As I understand it from "Original Ferrari V8", all of the carburetted 308GTB sold in Europe were dry sump. And of course, the GTS came along afterward and probably to satisfy the US market. The wet sump cars are more conventional to maintain for the US market. An oil change is about the same as in a Chevy. The dual distributor design has two origins. (1) It easier to fit dual points into a four-cylinder distributor, allowing the EPA to pass idle emissions. And (2) With dual ignitions, with dual coils, each coil has TWICE as long to saturate between sparks. That is a major problem with high reving V12s. The ignition energy falls off as RPMs increase. If one has to divide that over 12 cylinders, misfires can occur. Perhaps the V12 ignition mentality carried over to the V8 design. BTW, the coil saturation time at 7700rpm, assuming perfect timing, on a Ferrari V8 is under 4 miliseconds - and that's with TWO ignitions!! Under 2ms with a conventional ignition.

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rick

 

Hi, i've not been able yet to introduce myself. I'm Marcel and I am Dutch. I live in Germany at the border of Holland and I'm a D.I.Y. As an illustrator-cartoonist and editor of a carmagazine I have combined my hobby with my work. I have build my own dragracer and and like to get my hands greased up.
I have a '76 308 Vetroresina. It's almost ready for driving. I took it a part during the last 4 month's.
I've had a GTS before but liked the pureness of the lighter Vetroresina. Its body is of glassfiber and it has dry-sump of course. I put some Brembo's on the front and changed the old Koni's for titanium adjustable dampers from Intrax. My goal is to fix it for some hillclimbing and trackdays and to drive it to Maranello like i did with my GTS. If you would like to have some detailed euro-pics, I could e-mail them for you. I'm not so handy with these technics on computer. That's the reason that I don't have an avatar.
Leaves me to say that this forum deserves a big compliment. It's diverse and leaves space for everyone's point of view. That's really worth mentioning.
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I think Peter Sweeney in CT has a Euro Mon for sale.

 

Nice car Marcel! I just love the lines of the berlinettas. BTW, have all you and the other 308GTB owners shared your cars with Robert Retzlaff for his 308GTB Register? http://www.r-design.net/308/index_e.html Robert does a great job of tracking cars like ours. Visit his website and volunteer only as much information as you are comfortable sharing. My chassis number is 28133 and there are a number of pictures of my car there. Marcel, please share a few examples of you illustrations here.

Regards,

rick / houston, texas

 

Hello out there, Rick, Michael, nice to have your response. I could send some illustrations, no problem. And, indeed, I've already put my Ferrari on Roberts Register. I think he's doing a great job. The chassisnumber is 20051. Robert has seen this car and has told me some history. At the time that I bougt it, it looked like the top but it had been stored away for almost 9 (!) years as it was result of a tragic accident of the owner (a collector of Ferrari's) who seems to have sadly crashed in a Fiat. The following process was that several persons seem to claim this car and some other Ferrari's. So, at the time it was in my possesion, it looked stil as it came directly from the shell. But looks can deceive. All the coolingparts needed new hoses, the expansiontank was corroded inside, the waterpumpshaft was corroded and although there was the insurance that the car was driven every 3 months, I did'nt had any confidence in it. So I took the car a part and soon realised that this was a wise decision. I overhauled every doubtfull detail and then felt, it could use some handy improvements. I have constantly kept in mind that these improvements need to be easy reversable. Will send pic's soon. Michael, thanks for your offer, I will keep this in mind. I also have to get used to the fact that the sun goes down on an other time in Europe. I have to figure this out.
Maybe interresting to mention that I've seen European GTB's and even Vetroresina's without the dry-sump system. So, beats me. In Europe they sold the 308 GTBI in 1981. So one could say that 1981 is roughly the endmarker for the dry-sump era of the 308's.
And, indeed, the illustrated 308 is having his exhaust in the center. So had mine, that's why.
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Following on your request I'll send another related cartoon. I also enclose a page of one of my commics that is written in Dutch. Just for fun. The context however is that Gilbert, one of the headfigures, requests for a long cable for voltage. At the end it becomes clear that our duo needs a cablelength of at least a quartermile because they where only prepared for an 8th. Let's be frank, nobody mensioned the restriction of an electric compressor. I guess it's a little to optimistic to think you will all learn Dutch in the near future. So I'll stick to English. Some GTB's will follow in future OK?
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Marcel,
I love the Ferrari cartoons! We need more!

Birdman

 

Great cartoons Marcel! Thanks.

Might I say; If you started with a photograph of one of our cars and somehow made the cartoon personal, perhaps with a characture of of us, there is a market here for your art! I'd love to have a cartoon of my 308GTB!!!

RIck

 

Marcel -
The cartoons are genius!! Would love to see more!
We all welcome your posts!

 

Thanks guys. It's alway nice to get some positive feedback. It's not that Í was searching for work or something but hey, it's an idea. Guess I could try one for starters. What did they say again? The land of opportunities or something? So, Rick, here's my E-mailadress: [email protected]
Send over a picture of you and one of your car, maybe some hobby's mensioned and I work something out. In the meantime I'll send some pics of my Vetroresina (to hold on the theme) On one you can see my former GTS. The 16 inch wheels are now on the Vet. The Intrax-shocks are made of titanium and are more than 20 kg's lighter than stock Koni's. With these I can put the old baggie flat on the track if needed. The name "Porsche"is already grind of.
It's now 22.25 hr. here and i'm preparing for some matrimonial protocol.
Bye.
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These radiatorhoses are actually blue but the camera has made up its own interpretation.
They are'nt cheap either because they're made of Silicone.
The brandname is Silicone Hoses. (Silicon Hoses.com) and it comes from the U.K. I had the originals in good apperance but inside fully dried out. The silicone ones are really the top of the heap and you can get these in blue, red or black. Green is may be possible but I just wanted to have them and blue was fine with me.