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  1. TTR

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    I'm looking at a car/model which wasn't "officially" available in the U.S. (or more specifically in California) in 1984 as a new car and was told that in order to import and get it CARB/DOT/EPA(?) approved back then involved or required(?), not only some add-hoc catalytic converter addition, but also that the odometer was "rolled" forward to 7500+ miles, so that the subject could be considered a "used car".
    Does all this sound right ?
     
  2. tazandjan

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    In 1983 (my wife imported a 308 GTS that year) each person got one exemption from EPA standards to import a used car. Still had to meet DOT standards. Exact details are likely buried in a file somewhere and likely did not apply in good old CA. Contact CARB and ask.
     
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    I went to CARB website and got dizzy trying to find answers, but among some ‘83-‘84 published documents found 7500 mile references to light, standard & heavy duty diesel powered cars/trucks and gasoline powered motorcycles, but nothing clear on gasoline powered cars/trucks. :confused:
    I was just hoping to see if someone here would’ve been able to easily confirm the aforementioned claim.
     
  4. TTR

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    No other experienced comments or knowledge ?
     
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    #5 Rifledriver, Dec 18, 2021
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    In California only "Used" cars could be imported so it was SOP to advance the odo to the 7500 limit required. Many cars with all the plastic protection in the interior were brought in with 7500 miles.

    Since all speedos came out to be converted to MPH reading many were altered. On a gray market car originally arriving in California its hard to rely on odometer mileage. There have been some disreputable people in the exotic car business as hard as that may be to believe.

    California eventually began putting on their own door jamb stickers on all grey market cars and since the program has stopped only those with the sticker can be registered. Since only a few for example 288's ever got that sticker the few that have it tend to be worth a premium because only those few can be registered there.
     
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    Thank you gentlemen for your replies.
    I just wanted to confirm this detail, which I didn't quite find the answer on my own.
    I've known the cars one & only owner for over 15 years and trust him, but being he's in his 80's and having owned (and still owns) quite a few rare and/or unusual cars, his comments or recollections on specifics of each at times appear slightly off. He's also had it imported to California and had it "Federalized"(?) for registration here.

    Would this "7500 mile" discrepancy(?) appear on any of the original paper work ? Probably not, but I'm just curious.
     
  7. Rifledriver

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    Well not on any official documents generated during the federalization or US Customs process. That would be counterproductive.
    If any documentation it would be preimportation paperwork such as original sale documents or invoice for speedo work prior to shipment. Then dates can be compared to see if it adds up.
     
  8. TTR

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    Thank you, I pretty much suspected that.
     
  9. Motob

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    I worked for Hardy and Beck back in the days of the grey market car importation. As Rifledriver has stated it was SOP to run the odometers on new cars past 7500mi so they could registered in California as used cars. We didn't even pull the speedometers from the dash, all it took was connecting a signal generator to the speed sensor connector on the differential and dial the speed up to 160MPH or so Ferris Buehler style and over the weekend you would have 7500 miles on the odometer. There was no documentation of this, as it was totally illegal.

    This lasted until the CA DMV grilled the guitarist from Night Ranger (Jeff Watson, a really nice guy), who spilled the beans over how his brand new BMW M635Csi had so many miles on it. There was a DMV raid on the H&B complex with all sorts of news crews and commotion. The next day there was an article on the front page of the local newspaper about it (I still have a clipping of it somewhere).
    After that it was pretty much the death of the importation of grey market cars, as California changed the laws regarding how and who could import them.
     
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    Cali gray market cars had the importer plate and carb plate on the car. If you have the carb plate you are good in Cali.. I have had two gray cars from 1984 and 2000. Both were from a known certified importer or converter. Amerispec did a bunch of these cars. The more famous guys like amerispec did better conversions with more easily sourced parts because that’s what they did. There are some one off guys bringing in cars and those did not get converted as robustly. I fear no gray car well documented. There is an advantage knowing where the car was from. For example the parts manual may list a part number different for us cars vs cars for GD. You want to know that so you get parts designed for your car.
     
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    Thank you all for providing experienced details.
    So to summarize, the car in question has about 21K miles, but the "real" mileage is technically only about 13.5K.
    I'll take a look at the paperwork after the New Year.
    Maybe Brian B.'s employer had something to do with ? ;)
     

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