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Euro QV dyno at flywheel

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  1. Ferraripilot

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    Hey all, I was chaitting with Tate at Carobu while talking cams etc and he gave me some info the community might find interesting. A Euro QV engine came in with a request for more power (of course lol). It was upgraded with the 3.5 Razzo Rossi sleeves, 10.5:1 pistons etc and it made fantastic power and idled perfectly. They used a different intake and a stock exh cam timed so that power would be within stock range, so not all that radical. The engine yielded 300bhp at the flywheel and had fantastic torque down around 3600 and up. A great, but of course pricey success. The interesting part was something we dont see very often. Dyno results before anything was done.

    The engine was a bit worn but still servicable and was put on their dyno so they could know a before figure. The engine yielded 215bhp and 179 ft torque. Definitely an expected figure from a older worn engine, but something I am sure the community wanted to know regardless. One for the archives I guess.
     
  2. FJS308

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    Thank you. info worth sharing
     
  3. GrayTA

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    I love this stuff.....my question would be what the $$$ are to get it to that 300 figure?

    And what does that yield at the rear wheels? I know you assume 15-20% drivetrain loss, but just curious.

    At some point I would love to raise the power levels on my 308, not sure how feasible it is in the next year or two, but was leaning toward a sc or turbo just because of cost issues or $$ per hp increase.


    PDG
     
  4. Ferraripilot

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    That QV had about $30k into it by the time everything was done. The owner of course paid someone else to do everything for him so obviously costs are substantially higher. I suspect it made right around 180bhp at the rear wheels, but the torque is really surprisingly low. If one were to do the work themselves, getting another 40-50 bhp is doable with $5-10k.
     
  5. TURBOQV

    TURBOQV Formula Junior

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    My euro qv has more than double the horsepower and torque. Turbo is the way to go if your going to spend that amount of cash and want substantial power.
     
  6. Newman

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    260HP at the wheels using 15% loss.
     
  7. enjoythemusic

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    Agree, turbo or blower makes more sense financially PLUS you obtain more power.
     
  8. CliffBeer

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    Paul, nice configuration. Looks like a great set up you have, very nicely done.

    How's the turbo lag?
    Are you running an intercooler?
    Ever timed the car through 0-60 or 1/4 mile?

    Please let me know if you ever decide to sell your car!
     
  9. Ferraripilot

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    Call me strange or something else, but I can't stand turbos/superchargers on 308s. Yes, they work better and make more power blah blah blah. If I wanted that I would get a Lotus Esprit S4.
     
  10. 328turbo

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    +1

    not to mention the potential of the current DFI systems that you'd use to manage the turbo engine. set up properly, doubling the hp is only the beginning. you'd be able to produce as much power as the bottom of that engine can possibly hold, and more. the current DFI systems are way more advanced than anything Ferrari(or any manufacturer) could have come up with 25 years ago.

    my vehicle also doubles rear wheel horsepower( i recently de-tuned it out of fear of my oem clutch not holding up). but the amazing thing is the silkysmooth idle and drivability of the DFI. i would compare it's street manners to a 2010 toyota before i would compare it to a stock 328, or any Ferrari for that matter. ;)
     
  11. TURBOQV

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    #11 TURBOQV, Nov 28, 2009
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    Thanks for the kind words. Dont know how fast 0-60 and the 1/4? But I know she eats 360s 355s with ease. When I get official times will let you know.

    Lag is minimal, full boost by 3k than pulls linear to redline. Custom Norwood air/water intercooler,JE pistons, Norwood copper headgaskets, ARP rod bolts. Billet flywheel, Norwood Kevlar clutch. Haltech ECU, 42lb injectors. Adjustable boost controller.

    Big Brembos upfront.Just finished total suspension rebuild with all new outer and inner bushings, new tie rods, ball joints, steering rack bushings, custom tube rear a-arms, QA-1, verell's paperweights, 400lb Eibachs front, 350 lb rear, saner bars, 360 wheels with 30mm Hillengineering spacers and lugs, rebuilt rear calipers with Gyrodisc rotors.

    New ceramic ballbearing turbo in 2010 should make her more beastly.

    Zach Mayne liked the car and its manners when he did an article on it in Forza April 2006. He torqued steered the car on boost! If you want the article i can post it for you?

    Cheers

    Get boost!
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  12. TURBOQV

    TURBOQV Formula Junior

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    Call me strange. I love the timeless lines of the 308 but I also love the feel of 400 ponies!

    Cheers
     
  13. Newman

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    Nothing wrong with that! I did a PPI last week on a 288GTO and have spent at least an hour behind the wheel. Nothing like twin turbos in a light weight package, made me think my boxer was a turd but I got over that and love my boxer again.
     
  14. TURBOQV

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    Amen brother! A GTO with modern ceramic ball bearing turbos would be even more beastly. 288 gto is my all time favorite. Lucky you! I kick myself for not buying one and investing in CA real estate. Smart move!

    Bob Norwood is building one based on a 308 strectched the correct length, but with a 360 modena twin turbo in it. 750hp to the wheels i am told!

    That should be a blast.

    Cheers
     
  15. GrayTA

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    @Turboqv - I would love to see the article if you can post it. I have to admit I am intrigued!!!


    Thanks,

    PDG
     
  16. TURBOQV

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    F-chat says too big to upload. 1.89 mb. shoot me ur email via PM and i will send it to u.

    Cheers
     
  17. Ferraripilot

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    When it comes to a turbo car, I cant imagine anything would be as amazing of an experience than the F40 or 288GTO (or yours, TURBOQV!) . I guess I am an originality freak then, or at least it has to look original.
     
  18. TURBOQV

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    #18 TURBOQV, Nov 29, 2009
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    Thanks brother,

    Thats the beauty of it, she looks stock until u push down on the go fast pedal. I would never mess with the beauty of the original lines of the car. It is a work of art!

    Get boost! u will luv it!

    Cheers
     
  19. Ferraripilot

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    I need carbs and an original looking under-hood on a 308. I just do. Someone please remove this part of my brain that requires such things.
     
  20. mk e

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    Someone once told me a bower engine will fit in a 308 engine bay giving you the best of both worlds ;)
     
  21. ramosel

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    I'm the same way... and yet I love the 288 GTO, odd dichotomy. (a good friend has one so I get to spend time with it on a regular basis to satisfy my lust).

    Don't get me wrong, I completely respect the effort and engineering that Paul has put into his turbo - I marvel at it... its just not for me.

    Rick
     
  22. Ferraripilot

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    That makes two of us there brother. Give me a naturally aspirated high compression 308 engine with some rediculous cam any day lol.
     
  23. miketuason

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    No need to make 308 to go faster, they already look fast just standing still.:D
     
  24. chrismorse

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    So Mike,

    Does this mean that your 12 will get supercharged and nitrous injected???

    ?
    chris
     
  25. mk e

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    No. My car will be naturally aspirated, I’ve seen the light 

    What that post means is I don’t proof read well and end up posting silly things. “Boxer” was the word that I meant as Newman has a soft spot for those engines wisely and tried to talk me into using one (or a TR) instead of the silly thing I decided to build.
     

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