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  1. lostbowl

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    Can anyone give me a physical description or picture of a sodium filled exhaust valve from a 308 and maybe even a pic of a SS replacement? I want to get my heads back on yesterday but after reading some posts I don't want to put the failure prone valves back in, if that is what they are! thanks, Lostbowl
     
  2. rizzo308

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    I had a set of s/s sent over from nicks forsa in washinton must say they are primo quality.... you could refit heads as is and not have any dramas for yrs to come or next time you drive it could be valve salad for lunch if your heads are off it would be a no brainier not to change them try nicksforzaferrari.com good luck
     
  3. lostbowl

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    I keep asking what the physical appearance of the valves are and I keep hearing to change them. I have no problem with the logic of changing the EX valves while I have the heads off but how do I tell if I have sodium filled or not? The valves may have been changed and the fact that the clearances were off the wall points to this. But I still don't know how to identufy them. I keep hearing about using a magnet to see if they are non-ferrous. I fully understand but are the sodium valves steel or are they SS also? Does anyone know for a FACT how to tell the difference? thanks, Tom
     
  4. 350HPMondial

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    OK, ok let's see.
    Buy them from SiValves.
    $ 800.00

    or, worry and wine the rest of your freakin life.(whew)

    Rant over,
    Edwardo
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    ( Need some cheese too.)
     
  5. Rifledriver

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    SI valves are crap.
     
  6. st@ven

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    why this?

    I think the question is not so stupid.
    In case you bought and older 308 which was equiped with sodium-filled valves and you like to be sure to replace them, it's a fair question how to recognise one from trhe other. Maybe a former owner already made the switch making it useless to switch them again.
    For some people $800 is still quite some money
     
  7. Rifledriver

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    New steel valves with sodium and new SS valves without will be indistinguishable in a photo.

    I already told you, factory valves are steel and will be easily picked up by a magnet and aftermarket SS valves will not.

    Call Ferrea valves and get a set of theirs. The know exactly what a Ferrari 308 valve is and make a very high quality product.
     
  8. BigTex

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    I understand if a sodium valve rolls off the workbench and hits the floor it shatters....

    Try that....if it bounces a few times it's been replaced with stainless at some point????

    ^%*$ it just break one on purpose, if something runs out that looks like Peruvian Marching Powder, replace them.....:D :D
     
  9. BigTex

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    Surely if original, it's got to have carbon build up on it that looks like a furnace.......

    Thanks for the tip on replacement manufacturers...
     
  10. greg328

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    BigTex, why don't you and I go in for a group buy on the Ferrea valves?

    Seriously..
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  11. 350HPMondial

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    Me too.

    They are only, ,, $ 55 - 60 each... how low can they go.......?
    Also would like Ti locks and retainers.

    Edwardo
     
  12. Pizzaman Chris

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    Because I already have them...it's just such a PITA to stop driving around and put them in.....:D :D :D
     
  14. lostbowl

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    Needless to say, there was allot a few had to say, but nobody can tell me how to tell the differance! And for the AHs out there---------------------------- there are only stupid answers and those were in abundance!! thanks!
     
  15. lostbowl

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    Pizzaman, I tried Berts' link and was most impressed with his work, the blower was done well but I couldn't find any pics of the valves.
    thanks, Tom
     
  16. BigTex

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    I was actually serious about dropping or cutting one, no bullsheeit, or xray it to determine 'hollow or solid'.

    If it's solid and non magnetic, it's stainless and has already been upgraded.

    Rifledriver, come back....the sodium ones have a visible weld at the head, where the two pieces were assembled after filling?
     
  17. lostbowl

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    Big Tex, Now that was an answer I can grasp------------------------Thankyou! Now all you AHs have learned something also! Tom
     
  18. BigTex

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    Wait!! Dont take me from ME!!

    I just know what I was taught as a lil' lad, from John Vallindingham (deceased) and he would never reuse valves that were sodium......

    PM Dave Helms if Rifledriver doens't come back with a definitative method of identification.....IIRC, the point of failure is usually the weld 'giving up', right below the head....

    I suppose NEW sodium valves would be okay, lasting another 30 years, but stainless or titanium are modern improvements....
     
  19. BigTex

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    As they said of Wolgang Von Trips, "he had the mechanical aptitude of a dachsand.."

    That's me.....:D :D :D
     
  20. Pizzaman Chris

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    Tom, it's on post #111 of that page.
     
  21. Brian Harper

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    Yes, but we learned it back on post #7 when Rifledriver said to use a magnet.
     
  22. lostbowl

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    Thanks again Pizzaman! I found the pics where you said and I hope I can detect where the seam is. It seems a few think I am short on grey matter but the facts are simple, mis-information is in abundance and I am dealing with a 27 yr. old machine that like many Ferraris were driven and not maintained. The first thing I did was check and see if the valve material was ferrous , and it was not. I do not know if there were steel replacement valves wo/sodium core so I started asking questions and was quite taken back by the sarcasm! now I remember why I dropped out and moved to the north woods-------------------------AHs! Anyway I have 50 plus years of working on and racing cars but this is my first Italian interest and I will continue to have many questions. Getting it right the first time is what it is about------for most of us!
    thanks to all you with the intelligent answers, Tom
     
  23. f308jack

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    There is nothing ambiguous in Rifledriver's answer: SS valves won't be picked up with a magnet, any steel valve (sodium filled or not) will. No ah's or boo's about that. Why ask someone to give the same conclusive answer 3 times? The same answer was given only a few days ago in another thread, also by Brian (Rifledriver).
     
  24. AZDoug

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    I agree Ferrea valves are top drawer and the way to go, but why do you say Si valves are crap?

    Poor material? bad grinds? valve head profile? Tolerances? Concentricity?

    Doug
     
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