Exclusive: Texas Man Rebuilds $1.5 Million Ferrari Enzo

I am curious, what percentage of serious collectors and car enthusiasts rely on your advice? Ballpark figure will do.

 

Hardly.

The Enzo in question has not been modified.

Now, lets for arguments sake say my source is wrong, and the F1 F399 chassis # 193 that you've introduced into this saga was in fact unmodified. Its sudden and catastrophic failure should suggest that all carbon-fiber tubs should be sent back to the Ferrari factory in Italy. In that case, they should recall all Enzos.

Its time for another "Oh Please"...


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How about we don't go off on another pointless tangent. What needed to be said was said. Sackey and his foul-mouthed lackey didn't agree. Nobody's problem but theirs.

 

modified/repaired/altered/ (insert your hair splitting clintonesque word of choice in here)...

 

Are you fully aware of the history of the repair of Matt's Enzo and whether the aforementioned composite specialists who are competent enough to determine stress or fatigue were actually consulted or used in the repair of said Enzo?

I'd find out the answer to that question before posting it in any relevant to Matt's Enzo.

Once again, I have no affiliation with car brokers who profit more from higher supercar prices, but I see a clear abundance of irrelevant justification in many of the posts here.

 

Nobody said that. They said that Ferrari have special tools and knowledge that outside shops do not have, and that only Ferrari can take on reasonable liability for a fixed Enzo. Shops which are part of the Ferrari fold and have access to the correct equipment and knowledge and who are authorized/endorsed by Ferrari to fix the car are fine.

It was never said that ONLY Ferrari can fix the car, back in Italy. But....

You also said that if the buyer is concerned, they should have the aforementioned experts look it over and check it to see if it's been done right. That's not the right response and isn't the point of this thread.... the question of "has it been repaired correctly, with the correct equipment and knowledge that only Ferrari can supply" has not been answered. Maybe the answer is yes. But I know one thing - the correct answer isn't to flame those who ask the question.

 

Post # 51 by Carsleuth: "I think sending it back to the factory to get it repaired would have been a better idea".

Post # 52 by Nikkis34: "You dont say" (he agrees)

 

If modified means a deviation from stock (which it does in this case), then it is most certainly *not* known that the Enzo does not deviate from factory stock. To test that, special equipment and knowledge is required. You say that such knowledge and equipment exists at some location(s) in the USA.

Great.

Was it used to verify that the structural parts of this car remain within spec after the accident?

Or was it not used to determine this?


That is the question.

 

You said you were arguing about the "general notion" that it should be shipped back.

That is not the general notion.

Carsleuth and Nikkis34 aren't participating in this thread anymore, it seems. So it appears you are arguing against them, except you're not arguing with them.

That's not gonna get you anywhere fast, Joe.

 

Absolutely wrong. See post 157.

 

Goodnight...

 

But those aren't the people you are arguing with, Joe. You said the general notion on this thread is that, but it's not.

The guy who said it just said that in his opinion Matt should have sent the car back. He's not presenting his opinion as authorotative. You're arguing against those who are stating that they know something about what should have been done, but you're using a retort that doesn't apply.

If your argument is only that the car doesn't have to go to back to Italy, then you're arguing with the wrong folks - I think we all agree on that, provided the proper equipment/tests/data are used. On having to ship it back to Italy, you need to talk to Carsleuth and Nikkis about that.

 

I win!

G'night, Joe.

 

ojbj appears to be a duplicate ID for someone who is serving a multi-month ban. ojbj has been banned for violating the TOS of the board. The rest of you please continue your conversation.

 

Short memory? or are you refining your earlier use of "singular" alongside "factory" to now mean "singular" Ferrari global?

 

Here are 2 more pix from Laguna Seca 2004. I was right there.
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This thread contains some interesting information although there are a few digressions. An Enzo is an expensive car and the cost of shipping it back and forth to the factory is an insignificant % of its' value. I doubt the factory repairs are materially different in cost from an outside source once the car is at the factory. For me, I would ship it back to the factory in the event of an accident full-stop. Once it was repaired at the factory i would not worry about the accident anymore. Although it is interesting to read about repairs done elsewhere, it would not be for me. Others think differently - no problem.

 

I absolutely believe that statement is 100% correct. The only ones who can repair the car and stick their stamp of approval on the car are Ferrari, period. If they entrust that job to one of their franchisees in the USA along with their guidance, data and procedures, it is still Ferrari who are making the car right.

It comes back to who has the knowledge to fix it right and who has to take on the liability of the fix. It can only be Ferrari - nobody else. It doesn't necessarily need to be done by Fabio and Vincenzo in the same room back at Marenello where the car was originally assembled, but IMO it does need to be by Ferrari and nobody else to be authentically repaired to 100% Ferrari-guaranteed specs.

 

LOL.
All those Sackey insults, and now he gets "sacked".

Ouch!

 

Priceless! Im out.

 

Wow! I had to go back a few pages to find this. Sorry, I don't have time to read more of what people have said... maybe later.

Jim,
Cutting to the chase as you want me to do…. You’re not a buyer on my car, thus I am not sure why you’ve elected to attack me and my car. I could do the same, but it's not my style. 75% or more of the people on this message board would not buy a damaged car at any price. That certainly doesn't bother me and I respect them for their choices. One of my good friends won’t come by my shop because he can’t bear seeing damaged cars. He only buys original paint cars. More power to the ones that can afford such cars. Enzo’s like that are $300k or $400k more money then my car. 3 or 4 Porsche GT3's.... Want to drive your Enzo or look at it becomes the question at that point.

So, let’s analyze what you want me to do. You want me to call NASA and get them to inspect my car? Hmm, I don’t believe that is on their job description. You state that CF motorcycle helmets need to be inspected after an accident. Hmm, a quarter inch of CF versus 3 inches of CF built to withstand and protect it's passengers at much greater impacts then 30 mph. Seems to me that someone at Pininfarina sold you on a couple areas that they thought needed to be reinforced. This maybe or maybe not true. I doubt it and I personally don't think that Ferrari would build a car to go in excess off 200 mph that was not built to standards greater then yours.

I would love to have anyone do any type inspection they want on this car. Am I personally going to do it? No, because no matter what conclusions I come up with it won’t satisfy you. Thus, that would be a waste of time and effort. I will be glad to take the car to anyone for any type inspection. I would expect someone to do a thorough inspection before buying a car like this. Any used car, for that matter, should be inspected before buying. As for you running it and every other Enzo in existence down before this inspection process is pointless. Heck, according to you, why would anyone want to own an Enzo? 400 mile Enzo's needing clutches.... gee, what hunks of crap!

Could Ferrari or an authorized Ferrari repair shop have done a better job repairing this car? The answer is NO. Could they have done it for twice the price in half the time? That answer is most likely yes. The real question is this – what would a Ferrari dealer have done differently with the car? Nothing, plain and simple. Factory parts, factory process, end of story.

Thank God it’s not rocket science repairing cars correctly. I am certainly no rocket scientist. All I am is a hard working honest guy that prefers to be respected for his integrity. Not raked over the coals by people that have never gotten their hands dirty working on cars. Our experience? David, the one who built the Enzo, has worked on every Ferrari since the mid 80's. That includes F40's and F50's. There's nothing the guy can't do and considers them all just mechanical machines. I must concur, they are just machines. Damn nice ones.

Money comes to those who are successful, but it certainly is not the most important thing in life. At least it's not to me. My word and being respected is much more important. Thus, I don't frequent FerrariChat too often. Too depressing and there's got to be a Rodney Dangerfield joke somewhere to fill this line.

Jim, maybe someday we'll meet one another. You’ll most likely have to look me up. I doubt we hang out in the same bars.

 

Matt

The idea that I'm attacking you or your car is silly. I'm simply pointing out that I think a potential buyer should hook the car up to an SD 3 and answer the questions I raised before making a bid as those answers will effect the value of the car. It's the same advise I'd give to anyone looking to buy any Enzo. I also think it would be important to know in this case whether or not the tub was over stressed as once again that effects value. It very well be fine, a total non issue but if it was overstressed the cost to replace it could be 200K for parts and labor and I think potential buyers should find out. Basically I'm talking about a PPI from a Dealer like Risi who is in your area and is totally capable of answering these questions.

As for PF and P 4/5 as P 4/5 is 400 lbs. lighter than a Enzo, has twice the downforce, much more tire, less drag and a higher top speed I think the engineering they did was called for but what I had done is totally irrelevant in the same way that if a potential buyer of your car doesn't care about the issues I and other's have raised all is good.


Bars aren't my thing but I have spent a lot more time rebuilding small block Chevy's in motel rooms overnight in order to race the next day than on the lawn at Pebble.

Rob says you're a good and competent guy and I believe him.

Cheers

 

Very cool, then we shall meet someday I am sure. I too, don't hang out in bars. Those days are long gone. Seems I have jumped to conclusions that are incorrect. That ALWAYS gets me into trouble. Glad I didn't put my foot in my mouth like I do many times.

Take care! Matt

 

How many carbon fibre monocogues have you repaired and how many has Ferrari repaired? So, if your work is so great, then why are the panel gaps on the side that was hit bigger than the panel gaps on the side that did not sustain any damage? Additionally, how do you know how Ferrari repairs Enzos? Are you as good as a friend with Ferrari as you are with NASA? LOL!

Also, if you had as much integrity as you think you do, then you would have written that this car was involved in an accident on your Ebay ad, instead of writing that this car has some interesting celebrity history.
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