F-Chat -Poll - Everyone Vote - Owners Only Forum

I think your point is a very valid point, and dead on. But I also think there is no harm in trying an idea like this. Im sure that when this site was created, nobody (except for Rob and few others) could have possibily imagined the popularity of this site itself; Point being, ya never know until you 'TRY'. Nobody knows if it would be a good or bad idea, but I definitely think its an idea worth trying out.

 

I agree 100% with ZjPj. Well said! I vote no.

I also find that in some threads the owners which also happen to be high count Fchat posters divert the thread with their private bantering back and forth. I don't think all the Ferrarichat distractions can all be attributed to the non-owners. Let everyone communicate as they wish. Moderators can keep discussions on track. In summary I feel that Ferrarichat is great the way it is.

 

What are you talking about? You started a poll, as of right now, the poll says that a majority agree with you.

Are you going to run and hide based on one user's comments?

 

At first I didnt mind. But then realized there is already a section for that AND after reading some responses it made me think.

Nope. i don't agree. F-chat is fine the way it is. Like I said before....we need to have owners, non-owners, potential owners etc. to all be together!

Vasco

 

Subscriber threads have no relationship to ownership. Pay $15 (I think) and your a subscriber. It's not quite the same as relating to someone else that had a major go bad.

To try and answer your question, why would you post a tech question in a subscribe thread? There is no correlation.

I agree that posting in a limited section will only reduce the number or replies and possibly good ones. I would think posting in a section like this would be more "support group" style.

I would analogize it like I don't think non alcoholics can relate to what alcoholics go through in recovery.

(well this is a type of addiction)

 

Relax Mario,

Just be respectful and don't let the attacks get to you. They are unfounded.

 

I don't know, but I also don't know why you wouldn't want to post it in General Ferrari Discussion or the Tech. forum where it belongs. I can't imagine that a non-owner's suggestion about the possible cuase of an "F355 door pop" can possibly be so grating as to trump the principle of free disclousre of the information to the community.

 

I posted a PM to you, as you did to me.

I hope you understand!

 

I say no. The common bond should be Ferrari here whether owner or not. Besides it wouldn't get used. The subscriber sections get little traffic from what I can see if you want an example.

 

Personally, I would............ I don't think it is a great example for a section like this. Did my explanation help clarify?

 

I don't know why anyone would vote NO. Even if you didnt want it, then vote YES and dont go to it! Why would you want to ruin the idea of those that did want it, because thats all your doing by voting NO. If someone put a poll on here whether to open a section for people that "Make over a million bucks a year", i would vote YES even though I sure as hell wouldnt be getting into that section! But if they wanna do there own thing then let em', who the hell I am I to say what they can and can't do...

 

Good point, but that doesn't mean the subscriber areas are not useful just beause they are not high traffic areas.

 

Yes, definitely, and I can see why someone wouldn't want something like a problem with a dealer who you have an ongoing relationship with to be out in the open. And, personally, I think the Subscriber threads could be sufficient for people with such reluctance.

 

The common bond is FERRARI and it always will be, until they change the name to Yugochat. I think the subscribed sections have added to this site, though they are not used a lot. It doesnt provide a little more privacy though, and the Rossa provides a little more...

 

Two points:

1) It would be difficult to verify. And there are already the FChat police running around demanding that people document their ownership.

2) I think this thread effectively demonstrates that owners aren't any less obnoxious than other site users.

It's just a car. It takes air, fuel, and spark, just like a Ford. (It just produces far better results from them.)
Owning one doesn't make you a better person. (Well, driving one correctly can make you a happier, less stressed person, so ...)

 

I will use your quote as an example so please do not get this too personal.

Appartently those that have posted personal attacks against Mario for raising a question, don't know him.

Also those that need to retort to calling owners names, snobbish, exclusionary etc. are exactly the ones that will likely NOT be posting in that section.

Using a special section for owners does not hurt non-owners but gives the opportunity to an owner to solicit opinions from ONLY fellow owners. That does not mean you are never again posting in General but rather that you are getting another tool to zero in on a specific question you may have.

In either case of what you think it is quite amazing that we have people here that post and post and post and just can not respect others without calling names and personally attacking another user.

I would be for a forum where you have to show your intelligence before being allowed to post.

 

I apologize for not reading this thread in its entirely, to get to the genesis of the idea for it, but- take me as an example- i don't currently own a Ferrari, but have owned six in the past- can weigh in on the merits of 550's, had two of 'em, etc. FWIW, an "owners" thread would preclude this kind of input.

 

You do not need to own a Ferrari to be knowledgable about them, the guy in the pic below is Dale, i believe he was the first in the UK to drive a 430, he knows more about the mechanics in a Ferrari than most owners put together, i believe that is last job was on an Enzo, he also test drives these cars, so has probably driven more Ferrari's than most of us, but guess what he does not own a Ferrari.
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Don't worry.... next, we are starting a private room for Ferrari-chaters that are taller than 6' foot 2"
If you're not that tall..you won't understand what it likes to answer questions about Ferrari that would be relevant to us.

Hey Steve, How tall is Dale? Tell him abour our new private group

 

<sigh> shrugging my sholders, shaking my head and stepping out the door... mumbling to myself: "some don't get it"

 

Martin you are my hero. I'd love to be like you one day and have as many Ferraris as you've had.

Just makes some of us sad to see the best guys building VIP rooms all over the place.

While we are saving our pennies and dollars... its fun to still live and learn through some of you owners that have been lucky enough to own many cars.

PS Martin, I wasn't making a joke about your post #66, you wrote a nice answer.
I just picked being tall beacuse their are a lot of tall people on ferrari chat and I thought it made a good counter-point to this thread. ( That fact that Martin is tall also..I didn't want you to think I was talking about you and joking about your post. You made a fair point )

 

Keep in mind...at one point we all DID NOT own a Ferrari. I really enjoy this form, it has assured me that owning a Ferrari will not be as much of a nightmare as I once thought. However, when I do own one, I would certainly NOT post any VIN #'s on here for fear that someone out there may attempt to do something illegal.

 

He does have a great mullet though!

 

Real Owners drive 12 pre-1975 cylinders only!

Seriously, I really don't believe that, except for myself, and I voted against the owners only forum.

Alternate suggestions:

-Create a new section called Owner's Forums, and allow each forum to develop on its own, by specific model.

-Owner's Forums would be open to all for viewing and posting. This way:

Prospective owners or those with an interest in a specific model could have instant access to info and ongoing discussion for the model they are seeking.

Current owners could maintain ongoing dialog and share info/knowledge with other current owners, prospective owners, and those with an interest.

Prospective owners who are at the stage of "wanting a Ferrari" but haven't zeroed in on a model could browse among the forums for info and dialog with current owners.

-If you wanted to be known as an Official Ferrari Owner on any particular model forum, you'd have to post two good pics of your Ferrari (or one of your Ferraris), as well as being a paid subscriber. There would be some phonies, but I'd guess very few, and they would show through quickly and be removed.

-Once a forum for a particular model became strong and ongoing, an Owner member could become moderator for that forum only. These moderators would have to meet set standards, and could relieve the regular moderators of more work.

As far as Exclusivity Value for paying subscribers, the Velostrada pub that Wayne Ausbrooks is doing is very classy and off to a strong start.

Perhaps there could be just one level of paid subscription, at $20-$25/yr., with Velostrada access and another two or three perks. Anyone who wants the distinction of being an Owner member (or in-between or former Owner member) on any specific model forum would have to be a subscriber unless an honorary member.

IMO, anyone who posts on Fchat more than four times a month ought to cough up the cost of a minimum subscription. There's no real valid excuse not to -- you're using a service that some folks worked hard to start and work hard to maintain. Anyone who can even THINK about owning a Ferrari can come up with 15 bucks.

 

Yes, I was thinking about this last night. As an owner, I don't think owners should get a private forum if they are not subscribers. So, I think you should have to be a Rossa subscriber and then pay an additional, say $10/yr to get a special owner designation with access to the owner section. I think that section should be limited to owners or previous owners.

Note - Rob, I see an opportunity here...........