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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Noel, Apr 6, 2006.

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  1. GSpyder

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    Osama also has his band of do-boys who fall into his " brand marketing" The guy in Waco also had his little tribe, one day the Dancing Donkey devote will also see the light, as many have already. For someone such as yourself, a person who could find any sort of pleasure in a vehicle such as a 328, a mediocre car at best when new ( I had one new, in 1988) the thought of actually being able to outrun, out-track or out-brake minivans would hardly make sense to spineless jellyfish such as yourself.
     
  2. Juice It

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    There is no question that Ferrari has pulled off something with their recent V8's that no other car company can do and to me this is a testament to their marketing company and the dealer/wholesaler networks ability to keep a tight reign on supply and in turn it keeps an inflated sense of value on the cars. Since real competition has come into the marketplace, true car guys are buying competitors products but there are still enough "brand only" people that will only buy the Ferrari so there is really no effect on V8 sales even when a better car can be had across the street.
     
  3. MARQ

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    Yawn....ZZZZZZZZ. Osama? Waco? Boy (er, uh, girl in your case), little Ellen Lame-O, you're really reaching deep for those aren't you? Yep, little Ellen, yer still spending way too much time hanging onto the tail of that Cringing Cow. And as far as "finding any sort of pleasure"...as I previously stated:

    However, your inane(I'll pause here so you can look it up) lame responses make it no contest. At least try to rise to the occasion and spew something slightly resembling an intelligent answer/opinion.
     
  4. MARQ

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    There have always been 'better' (your terminology) cars available across the street. And, if better cars are available and all the "true car guys"(your terminology) are buying them while only the "brand only" guys are buying Ferraris, how is it that Ferrari is the only car maker to be in the position they are in?
    Certainly there are far more "true car guys" out there than "brand only" Ferrari guys. Certainly far more than enough to put another mfr. of a "better" car in the same envious position as Ferrari.
    And yet, no other car maker is as successful in that regard. Why is that? Could it possibly be that their product is simply just not as good? Not as desirable? Or could it be that all the "true car guys" aren't buying them?
     
  5. J.P.Sarti

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    i drove a Gallardo 3 months ago, a lotta hype on this car from the owners and Lambo guys here, its got terrible tunnel vision from the huge a pillars and small front windsheild dash layout almost as if in a cave, motor did not sound exotic at all not in Ferrari sense, car seemed quick but nothing extraordinary, and concerning attention it got some but nothing that great or people freaking out as with my BB. The Ferrari name has much more impact with the general public than Lambo.

    IMO it has way too much Audi in the car which it what it felt like.
     
  6. Juice It

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    I am sure plenty of "true car guys" are on the Ferrari rotation as well so I am not claiming that all buyers are brand buyers but I would say most of the over sticker guys are buying the car because it is the "it" car of the moment. If Ferrari made superior products why does this whole scenario only apply to one model? The 575 and the 612 are not the cool cars to have and therefore drop like a rock just like any other normal brand. Like I said, there are plenty of cars that can perform the same for the same or less money (the G being one) and why people will continue to pay over sticker to own a 430 is some of the best marketing hype ever. I think the G spyder will have some of this same hype and we will see how long it lasts with the Lambo. Obviously there aren't as many "pay anything" mentality lambo people because I think they are a more educated car buyer but I am sure the quality of the Spyder will keep them on the hard to get list for a while.
     
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    That's unfair to 575/550 which was hot for at least 4 years but now is overproduced and at least 3-4 years too long in production.
     
  8. MARQ

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    Hmmm. That's funny, I thought that the Gallardo was the 'it' car of the moment according to all the 'hype'...even on this site.

    Hey, I didn't say that Ferrari was God. Only that there is no other car mfr. that is in their enviable position; and continually so. True fact. This holds true not only for the 430 spider, but for the 430 coupe as well. That certainly can't be said for the G-coupe....I guess that's not the "cool"(your wording) car to have.

    Yes, you're right. I'm sure this is all due solely to hype. The product has absoultely nothing to do with it.

    Yep, I stated that in an earlier post. I'd like to see them be sold out through an entire production run of, say, 4-5 years. That would be fantastic! Ain't gonna happen. It already certainly ain't happening with the Gallardo coupe.

    Oh, I'm sure you're right here. The car's production run won't be sold out due to the fact that Lambo buyers are more educated. I guess they're gonna wait until the prices drop.
     
  9. MARQ

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    You're absolutely right. Now, I'm waiting to see how the 599GTB will do.
     
  10. Juice It

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    The G Spyder is an "it" car as well. Hence the over sticker pricing. And yes, I feel people are willing to pay whatever for the Ferrari name for the 430 no matter what the car may or may not do performance wise. The 550 did not sell anywhere near the numbers or have waitlist numbers for the first four years like the 360/430. We shall see what happens with the 599. Seems like the 12's aren't the boy racer pay anything choice. I am sure the first ones will be hard to get like anything else but after that I would bet they will be just like the rest of the line.
     
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    Hmmm...if that was truly the case, Ferrari is really missing out on doing even better than they are now! How could they let this opportunity pass them by? They could easily 'dumb down' the entire package performance-wise, interior fitment-wise, offer only 3 paint choices, use lots o' plastic, offer fewer or no options, etc., and still sell it for whatever they wanted. However, we all know that this is certainly not the case, so I gotta disagree on this. They clearly have the market segment winner with this car, both coupe & spider, hands down.

    As I've said, more power to Lambo if they can sell out an entire production run of 4-5 years and sell the cars above MSRP as Ferrari does. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. They may do it with the spyder, but have already failed to do so with the coupe.
     
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    They do use lots o plastic, they get an arm and a leg for any options and could offer it in red/silver/blue and still sell as many as they do now so whats your point? They also could raise the MSRP and take the premiums from the dealers/speculators but they don't do that either. My guess is that they are more interested in making money from the sale of mugs/shirts etc. and car sales are secondary so its a non issue. Do you really think that the name has nothing to do with the position the 430 is in? I am not saying it isn't a great car but there are plenty of great cars that people won't pay "whatever" for and I am not buying the "history, heritage" BS. Its a status thing plain and simple.
     
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    HAHA Thats the funniest **** i heard all day! People freaking out over your BB!!!!! LOL
     
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    Methinks your 'guess' is wrong....way wrong. If that was the case, they should consider making even less cars than they do and increase the number of licensing contracts, eventually phasing out the cars altogether. LOL! Sorry, but I don't see this happening. Perhaps you should approach Ferrari with that idea. If there wasn't an exceptional product behind the name, the name would mean nothing.

    LOL! Of course it has something to do with it. Ferrari is well known for turning out an exceptional product. Ergo, the strength of the brand.

    Uh huh, I'm sure that the product has absolutely nothing to do with it. Have you ever heard the saying "You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time"? If it was indeed "a status thing, plain and simple" I find it hard to believe they'd be in the enviable position they're in, 'plain and simple'.

    Hmmm.Obviously the people don't think those cars are worth it.


     
  15. Napolis

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    "i drove a Gallardo 3 months ago, a lotta hype on this car from the owners and Lambo guys here, its got terrible tunnel vision from the huge a pillars and small front windsheild dash layout almost as if in a cave"

    This is an interesting comment. How tall are you? What sitting position do you prefer? Is the top of the windshield in your frame of vision?
     
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    I suppose Rolex makes the best watches in the world then from your mentality. Its about branding and marketing. You could show Joe public a 100k Patek Phillipe and a Rolex Submariner and probably 9 out of 10 would pick the Rolex as the better watch. Yes they both make a good product but selling more doesn't make one superior. Most people also don't care what the best quality is, they want what the public perceives as the most exclusive. Anyway, it is pointless to argue this on the internet, you obviously are just the person that Ferrari is counting on to buy whatever they make no matter what it may be.
     
  17. MARQ

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    Agreed; but I've enjoyed the discussion.
     
  18. GSpyder

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    Beware the lollipop of mediocrity...lick it once and you suck forever!

    Reading your signature, and seeing as you drive a 328, a car which coined the phrase mediocrity, mediocrity not only in the entire automotive world, but in Ferrari's own lineup, I realized you must be extremely talented in the art of the "SUCK". Based on your sig, there must be an extremely long line to experience your expertice first hand. My question to you is, could you possibly extend the Lambo guys the courtesy of moving to the front of the line, infront of the Porsche, Lotus, Aston... ahhh hell what am I saying, Honda, Toyota, Chrysler Pacifica, Neon drivers all waiting to experience your technique first hand?
     
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    Marq owning a ferrari 328 and being elitist about owning a ferrari is like owning a porsche 924 and being elitist about owning a porsche. What do those cars cost? 30k??? maybe? Yet you sit there and talk and dismiss a 200k as its a pos, and not worthy.

    You 308,328 owners sound more and more like mustang and honduh owners everyday. I see tons of these 308,328 owners BARLEY being able to afford their pos, they string themselves out why? to be a ferrari owning posuer(GOTTA HAVE THAT STATUS). Wanna talk about mediocrity, thats the definition. Congrats on being a yuppies in debt.
     
  20. J.P.Sarti

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    I am 5'10.5, don't recall if the top of the windshield was the issue it was the huge A pillars on the sides of the windshield and the long high dash, I prefer to sit forward as possible and see as much of the road as I can, it just had a feeling of sitting way low and back in the car far from the dash.
     
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    This has been an interesting post, but there's no need to be demeaning or judge someone's character because of the car he/she owns or drives.

    The Gallardo, the 430, the 360 and the 308/328 are all great cars in their own right. This thread is just about people's opinions. No defamation is necessary.
     
  22. J.P.Sarti

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    Yes you're right it never happens Ellen. So much I can't stand driving the car in town.

    The Gallardo didn't get much attention at all thats a fact
     
  23. Napolis

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    Thanks for info.
     
  24. GSpyder

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    Yes,and you are a movie star in your own mind.
     

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