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Max makes a comment- https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/hamilton-silverstone-needs-to-stop-f1-ticket-prices-rising-too-much/10625310/

Silverstone chief Stuart Pringle had suggested earlier in the week that “it's certainly been a lot harder with Red Bull dominating" to sell tickets, having been used to Hamilton's success in the seasons prior.
Max Verstappen hit back at that suggestion, stating that any failure to sell tickets was on the shoulders of the promoter alone.
"I don't think it's my fault. I mean, the F1 season is very exciting. There are a lot of teams fighting for wins now," Verstappen countered.
"And if a promoter can't fill the seats and they blame it on someone, then I think they first have to look at themselves, what they're doing wrong. Because in other places it's quite easy to fill."

 

Never heard of "entertainment tax" ?

Possibly best to look at the companies accounts before making any statements, last set showed a healthy profit

 

Le Mans is everything that is right for a racing viewing experience. F1 is the show piece of what is utterly wrong in comparison. Another Brit fan via Autosport comment on the cost of British GP this year. The Liberty business model is no different than Bernie's overall. Soak the promoter who then over charges for everything including toilet paper. Sustainable and F1 should never be in the same sentence. Without public money F1 fails. There is no German GP for a reason. Its not worth funding publicly. Why should anyone pay Liberty with public funds. Dictator style governments yes. They dont answer to anyone.

This comment below sets it perfectly. Real racing, fan access at a reasonable cost!

--I've just been to Le Mans - 100 euros for general admission plus 170 for a grandstand seat with a great view on the main straight. (roughly 85 pounds plus 143). What was striking was the accessibility - there is public area between the grandstands and the track, so you can stand feet away from the cars as the go down the pit straight if you have a general admission ticket. Plus drinks (wine or beer) were 4/5 euros 9and came in a souvenir cup), and it was 25 euros for a Le Mans t-shirt. If you take the train, it costs a couple of euros to take a tram on a 20 minute ride to the circuit, plus you have free access to the incredible museum. As for the racing, the lead changed 41 times...Compare that with the rarefied atmosphere of F1, which was always my first love but has become too expensive for what you get. --

 

Even 270 euros for a ticket is ridiculous but i dont blame them for charging it, blame the mugs who pay it.

Silverstone GP, a family of four will set you back close to £1000 general admission PLUS grandstand seats that could double that easily, thats before you buy a cup of tea for £4.

 

Mugs getting MUGGED LOL

 

If one look at this article, Silverstone hardly makes any money at all

*‘We don’t want to lose it’: Silverstone’s MD on the future of the British GP, Formula One and more

Silverstone managing director Stuart Pringle explains the issues facing the circuit’s Formula One future and how one of Britain’s biggest sporting brands is undergoing crucial developments.

‘We don’t want to lose it’: Silverstone’s MD on the future of the British GP, Formula One and more - SportsPro (sportspromedia.com)


It's always good to hear both sides of an argument.

 

Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton joining forces to claim that Silverstone GP ticket prices are too high "for the fans" is a bit like if Jeff Bezoz was saying that Amazon staff were underpaid !!

What a bunch of hypocrites !!

 

Fans. Fans matter zero. Its gov money or TV money paying the bills. For all intents and purposes the races should have no fans at all. As long as TV and sponsor money + gov money F1 can have a life and be run. Liberty could buy every venue, run a race with empty stands and make money. No one cared during COVID. They could stay home, watch, relax and not walk in the mud, not get rained on and complain about quiet cars and warm over priced beer. There is zero to see in a GA ticket that cannot be out done by TV. Given how time is so precious why waste the time going, waiting and leaving a circuit LOL.

The drivers are in a bubble. Them mentioning fans is pathetic. They dont know a real life when its all done for you and the nearest fan is 50m away. They get celebrity a-s kissing in the paddock about how great they are and never encounter a GA fan ever. The comment I posted by the Brit who attended Le Mans outlined everything F1 is not and will never be. Its beyond a contrived world, detached and frankly beyond out of touch. Ask Alpine and FlavFatCheater.

 

FIA has no plans to intervene in F1’s latest flexi-wing intrigue
Formula 1’s latest flexi-wing antics have teams talking, but the FIA has no concerns about what is going on

 

Exactly !! We can imagine sporting events without attending public in future, and instead people watching them at home paying subscriptions. COVID gave us a taste of what will happen. When many (including myself) though F1 would collapse from the ban on travel and attendance, it thrived during that period.
Personally, I have been convinced from the turn of this century that, thanks to the quality of TV coverage, I could see more of a GP from the comfort of home rather than sitting in a grandstand. I changed my habits after attending many GPs in Europe for 3 decades.

As for the forced interaction between the public and drivers at GPs, like everything that is ungenuine, it just makes me cringe.

 

Same for the [so called] environmental green direction of F!, totally false and hypocritical. Transporting that whole circus around the world is obviously reducing its carbon emissions.

 

Another Brit fan on about Silverstone and cost. Certainly a good assessment from the UK:

--Over the last few years, Silverstone and the British GP have accelerated the process of pricing their own audience out of the event. Don't put this down to Red Bull. A three day general admission ticket last year was £319. This year it's £349 (so far, it could still increase due to the dynamic pricing model). Assuming you're an average UK family of two adults and one child, you'll be looking at £1047 just for general admission. If you're going by car that's another £95 in parking fees. Food and drink, lets just be conservative and say another £75 per day. That's £1367 for a weekend, not factoring in petrol, accommodation, merchandise, etc. You're asking for almost 4.3% of the yearly median disposable household income in the UK for a weekend at the race for the average family, if they go for the cheapest options available. You're not having trouble selling your tickets because Red Bull are too good. You're having trouble selling them, because people can't afford them.--

 

I attended the British GP many times last century, and never for 3 days !
We could then buy General Admission tickets for Sunday only. Don't know if still possible.
I used to leave London in the morning on my motorbike and reach Silverstone at aroung midday.
So I had no problem with traffic, parking, and could carry my stuff near the circuit, like my folding seat.
I always brought with me a rucksac containing my own sandwishes, drinks, waterproof poncho. extra jumper, etc ...
I never bought any team regalia at a circuit. Many folks used to budget like me. That way of attending races (I went to about 10/15 races every year) would be called "low cost" these days and sneered at by many.
Now, the attending public wants to make a GP a 3 days event, with hotels, expects comfort, buys grandstand tickets, spends money on food and merchandise, etc ... I
Of course organisers caught on that and found ways to pick their pockets. Now the price are astronomical, and you get in fact very little for your money. But people don't think, and act on impulse ...

 

Certainly it is a choice to attend and spend or not. I would not 'sneer' at such planning. Its smart as the focus is racing not going to the shoppes!!

 

Costs of an F1 car broken down by their parts.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jTMRRqn5lL8

 

Others have calculated it's cheaper to go to hungarian, Spanish, Austrian gp including travel, accomodation, the whole shebang for 4 days than 3 days of British GP.

No brainer.

 

They cover the cost of the race by running the pumps for about 7 minutes.

Why should they car about the cost when it is that low (to them)???

 

Citizens of New Your are also fans of the NY Mets..................being a fan has nothing to do with winning !

 

Carlos Sainz’s decision on which Formula 1 team to join for 2025 has been delayed because Alpine has told him it could become a Mercedes engine customer.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/alpine-mercedes-sainz-2025-f1-deal/

 

LOL Alpine, really ? After Ferrari . How low can one go ...

I won't cry for Sainz if he leaves it too late and can't find a seat for next year.

 

Mercedes open to 2026 Alpine F1 engine supply to replace Aston Martin
Mercedes sees benefits in supplying Alpine with 2026 Formula 1 engines if Renault decides to cancel its F1 powertrain programme

 

Umm, Toyota looks to be making a comeback into F1 in 2026 and will likely supply engines to HAAS.

 

So the partnership Ferrari-Haas is bound to end then ?
Haas uses Ferrari wind tunnel at the moment, and take their transmission and suspension, on to of the engine.

 

That would be the possibility.

 

Toyota has an excellent wind tunnel too.