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F1 and clutch workings

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  1. afwrench

    afwrench Formula Junior

    Nov 24, 2004
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    Where can one get the tech info on just how the F1 trans and clutch work?How does the clutch engage?What controls slippage and full release etc? I am an old guy and remember back to the Peterson books that were like the Bible to us "kids" back then.Thanks,Mike
     
  2. HKS479

    HKS479 Karting

    Sep 23, 2015
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    Thanks, interesting article.


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  3. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Remember that all of Aldous' articles are based around the 360, although the general principles are similar for all F1 Ferraris and other (Maseratis for instance) F1 cars. The early 360s had a TCU which did not have provisions for manually adjusting PIS, but all 575s and early 612s (same clutch) do have that capability. Aldous also has a great tutorial for mechanics when setting up a clutch for optimum life and operability. It involves having the car up on a lift and then adjusting PIS to the point where the drive wheels just barely do not turn. Trial and error, but the more Ferraris a mechanic adjusts for PIS, the quicker he develops rules of thumb for the different models. PIS on 360s is usually around 4.7 mm or so, and 575s and early 612s around 7.7 mm or so, because of the thicker clutch plate and differences in geometry.
     
  4. ECHO CHARLIE

    ECHO CHARLIE Karting

    Jul 8, 2009
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    Did the 612 and the 430 share/use the same clutch/ transmission unit ?

    Edward
     
  5. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    No, not even close.
     
  6. afwrench

    afwrench Formula Junior

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    Great info from everyone.Is the PIS independent for each model?Is the adjustment made mechanically or via a program.Thanks again ,Mike
     
  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    PIS is different for just about every individual Ferrari, those were just some commonly seen numbers and what my 575 was at last fluid change, bleed and PIS adjustment. PIS is set electronically with a diagnostic tool like an SD-2, SD-3, Leonardo, etc. My techs use AutoEnginuity software.
     
  8. francars

    francars Karting

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    so does the PIS can be adjusted on the 599?
     
  9. Chindit

    Chindit Formula Junior
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    Taz, if able, could you please provide a link to this particular article? I think I have read every article on Aldous's website, but I cannot find any reference for the procedure you mentioned (putting the car on a lift while setting PIS...). I believe I fully understand the concept: 1) Have the car on a lift so that the rear wheels are free to turn. 2) Engine running, select 1st gear (or reverse?). 3) adjust PIS with appropriate tool until the wheels just barely do not turn and/or the transmission input shaft speed just barely reads 0 rpm. I know the article you mentioned is for the 360, but the theory of operation is the same and I believe it should work on all the F1 cars through 599. Am asking because I'd like to do a PIS optimization on my pre-OTO 612. Thanks, Taz!
     
  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Long time ago. I believe the best way now is to lower the PIS and keep checking the output shaft for movement. When it moves, raise the PIS until it stops. No need for a lift to do that.
     
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  11. Chindit

    Chindit Formula Junior
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    Ok, sounds good. Thank you.
     

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