You might want to read this.... http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/gearbox/tech_gear_manual.htm <q>Having read the above data, you might think this must be an ordinary F355. No, it is actually the latest semi-automatic version, F355 F1. This shows the most important advantage of the manual-based gearbox over Porsche Tiptronic etc.: there is virtually no performance loss.</q>
Oh no.....what did I start!!!! I was just trying to find out if my car behaved normally in a mode that I'll probably never use! As far as the argument on manual vs. auto. I vote that it is neither. It is an automated manual. I like that it incorporates the benefits of each. It may have some nannies to protect the car, but the transmission is basically a manual transmission by design. It has the strength and the direct connection and control of a manual. Also, none of the hydraulic power losses of an automatic. It sounds like a best of both worlds situation to me. However the big disadvantage is the cost, maintenance, reliability etc. as compared to a manual. Plus the lack of 100% control over what it does. For most that is an advantage because they are not good enough drivers to take advantage of the clutch properly. Both are great choices, I love both. As a matter of fact, when I bought my car I was still unsure which I preferred. I left it up to luck. I figured that I would take either as long as I found a car in great condition.
Well, whoop dee doo with this post because it's written by someone who has no understanding of what they are talking about. This is literally a manual box and it works like a manual box. It has one difference though... it's designed to get you the maximum performance from the vehicle. Comparing this to a slushbox torque converter automatic is like saying Filet Mignon is the same as a patty on a Big Mac. Well... they are both BEEF.
Sorry it worked out that way. You managed to attract a troll who probably doesn't own a car but saw one from a long ways off once. It happens in a public forum. I agree with you. I was thinking 6 speed; then I drove both and the F1 was a lot of fun. I ended up with an F1 and don't regret it at all but I understand the interest in the 6 speed. Now that I drive my Ferrari a lot more when I get in the Lexus I find myself reaching for the paddles. It really is quite engaging.
I agree 100%! The more I drive the F1, the more it grows on me. I have to admit, I was a little nervous at first because if I went for paddles, I really wanted a dual clutch transmission. the F1 is way more entertaining to drive than I had anticipated. I actually appreciate my Lexus MORE now, after owning the Ferrari. I realized that the same way that Ferrari has perfected sports cars, Lexus has perfected luxury! Both great cars for their purpose. I like owning vehicles on the two extreme ends of the spectrum. The vehicle I decide to drive, depends on my mood, and where I'm going.
It's basically an automatic transmission because the clutch engages and disengages automatically without driver input. I've documented three ways in which it is different from a true manual gear box. Absolutely nothing you have written disputes that. The only thing that it has in common with a manual tranny is the absence of a torque converter. Your turn.
Well, I guess there are those who would point to the clutch pedal as being the most important differentiating factor. Others (like myself) would say that having a solid clutch vs. a torque converter is the most important differentiating factor. Some might say the presence of a stick is biggest differentiator, and hence a full manual is a lot like an automatic. So, it really depends on what you consider to be differentiating. Have you owned and driven both? On my Tiptronic cars, I virtually never use manual mode, and it's because of the slush. On my F1, I never use Auto mode because I like to play with switches, and because I like to know exactly when I'm going to get that massive kick in the back. Someone once described it like having Big Papi smack the back of your seat with a home run swing. Ain't no slush box'n can do that.
Did you read the article posted babyboo? You're making a fool of yourself. Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
Please answer two questions: When a manual tranny is in 2nd gear and you slow down does it automatically downshift to 1st gear? Yes or no? When the F1 transmission is in "manual" mode in 2nd gear and you slow down does it automatically downshift into 1st gear? Yes or no? Now who's looking like the fool?
It seems we have a winner there ... with an absolute knowledge of how is constitued and how is working a gearbox (manual, F1 and automatic) !!! I give up!
The 6 speed manual is a manual transmission with cable actuated change. The 6 speed manual is a manual transmission with hydraulic gear change. See what I did there? Please refer to Wikipedia or google for the definition of an automatic gearbox...
Why does that make it an automatic. The GEARBOX IS IDENTICAL! As in....same part number. An automatic car has a torque converter, planetary gears, brake bands, valve bodies. Manual transmissions use clutch plates, cogs, shafts, synchro's. There are plenty of fairly non-technical publications available on the differences should you wish to find out more....?
It's an "automatic" because it does not require the driver to disengage and re-engage the clutch during shift changes. It does that, well guess how? AUTOMATICALLY! The actual mechanism by which power is transferred from the engine to the wheels is not relevant.
Clutch operation does not differentiate a manual from an automatic transmission..... Jeez....this is just boring now...... Oh I know trev....it's just made me chuckle before I turn in.......
Can a manual 6-speed be driven in such a way as to automatically change gears? Yes or no? Can an F1 transmission be driven in such a way to automatically change gears? Yes or No?
You guys are all correct and arguing different points. I think it's semantics. Some are arguing the design of the transmission while others are arguing the way it functions and how the transmission does stuff "automatically". There will not be any winners in this. It can go in circles for ever. It's not fully manual and it's not fully automatic. It has it's own category, it's an F1!!
How about this: if I prove that I own an F430 then you promise to shut your trap for 6 months on this forum? Deal?
Have never driven a manual. Don't know how. But I can drive an F1 in "manual" mode. Proves that they are quite different. Doesn't matter that the internals are similar (mechanically vs hydraulically actuated).
It's pretty simple. He's just not using the classic definition of "automatic transmission" that the rest of the world uses. I'm not feeding the troll anymore. He's making us all look stupid for arguing with him.
I don't think there are any "trolls" here...just differences of opinions and perceptions/definitions.
These people find a contrary opinion so threatening that anyone who disagrees is considered a "troll." And, yet, not a single one of these genuises can answer the few simple questions that I posed.
