F1 Clienti at Zolder last weekend - chassis numbers?

The more modern Clienti cars have the chassis numbers on the nose so if you can get other views of the cars you may be able to spot it that way. Other than that, I can't help.

Edit: For instance, this 643 at a Clienti event in 2016 is chassis #128: https://www.flickr.com/photos/80283315@N02/31298357822/lightbox/

 

Interesting. I found this video of the event:


None of them have the chassis # on the nose and I noticed they all wear Marlboro logos. That would mean these cars likely don't participate in any Clienti events and that they are stored and managed outside of Maranello. Clienti removed tobacco ads. Still no answer on which chassis those were...

 

Interesting that all of the cars at our F1 Clienti event here in Atlanta in March were newer than any of these! I particularly would have liked to have seen a car like the B2.

This was clearly a regular historic racing event that just happened to attract a bunch of F1 Ferraris. So clearly Maranello had no connection with the event.

 

At historic races, whether here or in Europe, if you are running a car that originally carried tobacco sponsorship but are in a country that now prohibits it on racecars, do you have to remove it?

 

Apparently not in Switzerland based on that historic race this past weekend. I don't think they can do anything about grandfathered cars in private ownership. I think Mclaren and Ferrari remove tobacco ads since they currently race and don't want to make an image that they are currently sponsored by tobacco companies and advertise for them (at least obviously).

Honda brought their MP4/4 (chassis #5) to Goodwood a few years ago and ran it on the hill with full Marlboro livery and no issues. I think the same would be okay in the US.

 

Why Zolder? lousy place, mediocre track and I am not even talking about the dark memory the place is plagued by. I raced there in FFord in 1987, not impressed, worst marshals I ever saw.

 

These cars are from Modena Motorsport in Germany which created the F1 clienti program before Ferrari... lets just say Ferrari borrowed the idea soon after
http://modena-motorsport.de/modena-motorsport-events/?lang=en



Why Zolder? They had a Concours d’elegance that weekend.

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That's my lottery winning fantasy, not just to buy a new Ferrari road car, but to get into the Corsa Clienti program!

 

Maybe try this? You probably already know about this site: http://forix.com/main.php?c=1&l=0

 

It was part of an event called the Historic Grand Prix:

http://www.circuit-zolder.be/nl/events/historic-grand-prix-2018

 

Uwe Miessner, owner of Modena Motorsport (http://modena-motorsport.de/?lang=en) has been organising private test days for his clients for many years and I attended two or 3 at Spa in the 90s. They were only private in the sense that they were not publicised and a number of enthusiasts always attended - Peter

As well as a host of more modern F1 Ferraris, there were 512s, 312PB and other sports racers being tested and it was possible to get very close indeed, without hoardes of jobsworths blocking access. There were also some rare road cars in attendance.

I seem to recall that in pre Maffia days the Scuderia were not much interested in obsolete F1 cars and that Miessner was the unofficial outlet. As Speedcore says, an example followed by the factory once the opportunity for making money was identified.

 

As long as the car ran with tobacco sponsorship originally, then it can continue to show that logo in a museum or historic event. Ferrari managed to keep their Marlboro branding for longer than other F1 teams by claiming that their barcode design was part of the livery of the car and nothing to do with Philip Morris (who just happened to be giving them loads of funding) so it may seem strange that they to not show the wording now. I think it comes down to whether money is being received. Someone who owns a 1970s McLaren is presumably not receiving any funding now from Marlboro so they could continue with the original branding. Ferrari, however, could have been in serious trouble if they were receiving sponsorship AND displaying Marlboro logos on historic cars at events and in their own museums.

Lots of owners and organisers seem reluctant to display tobacco branding on cars, even though a black and gold Lotus, or red and white McLaren do not need words to tell us who the sponsor was. The Lotus 72 was actually designated as the John Player Special, I think. This is all covered in Apoendix K of the FIA regulations which says that competitors are encouraged to run their cars in the original livery, as long as it is in the same colours and that the logos are of the original size. The FIA then cover themselves by saying that if a country restricts a certain type of advertising, it is the duty of the competitor to ensure that the livery of the car conforms to the local laws.

It is interesting that at Le Mans this year Porsche are running two cars in retro-liveries to celebrate their heritage. One of these is the "Pink Pig" 917 livery and the other one is in Rothmans colours.