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360 F1 clutch parts needed

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  1. Carbide

    Carbide Karting

    Sep 27, 2019
    61
    West Bloomfield, MI
    Full Name:
    Dave Schneyer
    I've been reading through old threads trying to see exactly what parts are needed for a complete replacement. My car is a 2001 Modena. I see Eurospares and Ricambi both have packages but both include different things besides the actual clutch. I know my car was made right around the time of the 6 bolt ring gear. Is there a way to verify with a VIN before taking it apart if I need that gear? Is sensor needed? That is included in the Ricambi kit, but not Eurospares. Opposite with the flywheel and the gear, included in Eurospares and not Ricambi. I want to do everything needed but not just buy every part if it isn't required or recommended. Input would be appreciated.

    Lastly I've had quotes ranging from 13 hours upto 30 hours. All the quotes are from reputable indy shops, but 30 seems insane.

    Thanks
     
  2. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
    5,962
    Isle of man- uk
    Look up superperformance in the uk, they show all parts, some improved ones from hill engineering- exchange rate may be on your side
     
  3. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
    Sponsor Owner

    1. Not many cars have a 3-bolt ring gear still running around. I sure as heck wouldn't buy a ring gear until I knew for certain it was needed.
    2. I cannot imagine getting all the way into an F1 clutch job and not replacing the position sensor (178060). Seems like that would be an odd place to manage your budget, considering the amount of labor to get there in the first place.
    3. 30 hours doesn't sound like an unreasonable quote, depending on how much is being serviced. If the shop was going to do flywheel, ring gear, manually install the seals into a release bearing (instead of using a Hill Engineering one), hack apart the slide pins, properly set the software, and etc. etc.... there's a lot of labor involved. It's a lotta work, no matter how you slice-n-dice it.

    And quite candidly, nobody has a 'one size fits all' clutch kit. Things like slide pins, sensor mounts, roll pins, rear main seal, etc etc etc are all possible additions to any 360 F1 job. Most parts sellers are trying to carefully balance what they think in generally needed vs. the kit price (and what the market will tolerate). It's a balancing act.
     
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  4. voicey

    voicey Formula 3

    Jul 29, 2009
    1,193
    London, UK
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    Aldous Voice
    I've seen three cars in the last six months with 3 bolt rings gears so they are still around (including one with a 3 bolt ring attached to a six bolt clutch!).

    30 hours seems very excessive. I charge a fixed 10 hours labour for a 360 clutch change and make good money doing them.
     
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  5. 24000rpm

    24000rpm F1 Rookie

    from a customer and DIYer's perspective.

    360 clutch position sensor can be replaced with gearbox in-situ. And it is not a difficult job. 1 hour, excluding fluid bleeding. ----- personally done it multiple times ( me only ,no helper)

    430 clutch position sensor replacement demands removal of gearbox.

    I cannot affirm the "hill engineering parts are an upgrade" statement, although I exclusively use said Hill engineering parts. I use them because they are cheaper than OEM. The reason is that there's no empirical and controlled evidence of said upgrading.
     
  6. Carbide

    Carbide Karting

    Sep 27, 2019
    61
    West Bloomfield, MI
    Full Name:
    Dave Schneyer
    Wish I was in the UK.
     

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