Hello, I have a question for fellow 430 owners...On cold starts do your f1 systems sometimes not fully engage? Almost feels like its halfway in gear, for example I can still reverse but it is at maybe 20% power at most, so going up a hill it feels like its struggling, then I put it in first drive for a second or two, it feels like it fully engages and if I were to reverse again everything is back to 100% Only happens on cold starts, I called ferrari service and they say its because the hydraulic pump loses pressure overnight so it takes a bit for the system to rebuild pressure. Im gonna bring it in to service anyways so they can give it a look but just wondering if other 430 owners experience this regularly?
The Ferrari service person you spoke to is an idiot. If he had any technical knowledge he would know that the hydraulic system is fully pressurized long before the system will allow you to put it in gear. If he has no technical knowledge (he doesn't) he should just say so.
I let my car warm up for 10-15 minutes before driving it any time it is cold started... (i.e. 12 hours or more since last drive) If I even put it in gear and try to get it out of the garage while warming up, it is VERY VERY sluggish and hard to get moving. I am not a car techie in any way, but clearly something needs to warm up before the car can drive well.
thanks mr roberts....so it happens to you too....I wonder if this is normal? Can anyother 430 owners chime in?
I don't have any issues with reverse as the clutch never fully engages in reverse, but first thing in the morning I do find that when driving off the engagement is just a bit more vague than it is when the car is warm, the clutch slips a bit more before fully engaging when cold. I had the dealer look at it they couldn't find a problem. John.
I've been told that cold clutches will slip in the 430 and especially going up a hill in reverse because as others have already pointed out, these cars aren't designed to go backwards very well at all.
I don't have any of these issues. I only drive my F430 once/twice a week and I don't wait 15 minutes for the car to warm up... just until the exhaust note settles down then off I go.
thanks for the feedback guys ...keep it coming! So far I heard this is normal from one tech, and from another they say i may need new hydraulic seals on my f1 setup, or a simple clutch adjustment. Either way ill get to the bottom of it once I drop my car off at service ...thankfully i have warranty =)
No problem here. No warm up...start the car and I am off, but I don't usually reverse when cold as I almost always back it into the garage. The few times I have had to reverse when cold, there was no noticeable problem.
Couldn't have said it better.......nothing of the problems you are experiencing and we have full on winter happening downunder at the moment. Rob.
just dropped off the car at the auto gallery in canoga park per board member recommendations. I SPECIFICALLY said this only happens on a full 12 hour cycle COLD start so I am leaving the car for them overnight, I know for a fact if they remember to check the car right when its still cold they can replicate this issue, however if they have just a shop-hand and non ferrari-tech move this car out of overnight storage to a bay in the morning, by the time the tech gets his hands on it, the problem will not be present anymore. Lets hope they remember to have a tech drive it first thing in the morning as opposed to a shop assistant. Either way I will have a full report on what causes this issue tomorrow morning, or if it even is a issue !!!
well guys, took the car to auto gallery and just got it back. They ran diagnostics on my clutch positioning and clutch life and waited for a cold start to replicate the problem( to what success im not sure).... apparently they say this is normal on the f1 systems and from now on just to warm up the car a full 5+ minutes on cold starts before driving. I will update this thread periodically if the symptoms are still present even with the prolonged warmup. Anybody have thoughts on the power cube extended warranty? the temperamental nature of these cars has me seriously considering the extended warranty. Up untill now I have always been against purchasing extended warranties due to the nature of me not keeping my cars for a long time. However on this car I am seriously debating it...any other members care to chime in on their experiences with powercube and what it covers or does not cover? I also have a Tubi muffler on my car but no CEL issues...stock cats and headers, will this affect coverage? Thanks!
Does the car idle weird on cold start up? Sound not as loud as usual on cold start? Clear up after a couple revs on throttle?
Judging from your description and the more I think about it....you may need your cold start map updated.
I've just had my Aussie F dealer try that power cube warranty extension on me for 12 months and they want $9500 which is well over your US 10k amount. I don't think I can justify that amount. I have the Tubi as well and who knows. I bet if there develops an exhaust issue they won't cover it despite it being installed there on the car from day 1 by the previous owner.
update*** seems like its not necessarily cold starts, it is every time i start the car and engage reverse first, (ie. backing out of a spot) then proceeding to put the car in first and take off. I noticed it takes the car about 2-3 car lengths before the clutch bites and if its on a hill initially the car feels like its struggling to find a accurate engagement point (serious clutch wear ). However once the clutch properly bites after driving 2-3 car lengths, I can proceed to reverse and then go forward perfectly with a accurate and quick clutch engagement. its almost as every time i turn the car off and on again, the car needs to relearn clutch wear for a proper engagement point. Is this a characteristic of the F1 system?
Warm the car up for 5 minutes before taking off.. That is just crazy!! As far as the power cube warranty, I will probably extend mine.
I have had the exact problem and the dealer has had my car for 3 weeks. FNA finally came back and is replacing the clutch and throw out bearing all under warranty. This is not normal and have never experienced it on my previous F1 equiped Ferraris. Good luck
I have an incline coming out of my garage. Reverse is not an issue. Starting in 1st up the grade the F1 slips the clutch all the way up. Despite trying different throttle positions I cannot engage the clutch any more quickly. I've had the car for two weeks now. The clutch wear was 25% during the CPO inspection. I let the car warm-up for 3-5 mins prior. Hope I can figure out how to avoid this. Gordon
Gordon, You didn't say how long ago was the CPO Inspection, or how many times since then you've climbed the gradient with the clutch slipping? However with 25% clutch wear showing when you bought the car, the figure most certainly will be much higher now, and climbing rapidly with each slippery start. Even a manual (pedal clutch) wouldn't like the situation of an incline start every time, where the clutch would need to slip, coupled with high revs, to get moving. I believe you will be facing an expensive clutch replacement in the not too distant future. You garage situation is not F1 friendly.
