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F1: More points for more than just race position?

Discussion in 'F1' started by ItaliaF1, May 28, 2007.

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  1. Extra points for pole position

  2. Extra points for fastest lap of the race

  3. Bonus points for pole, fastest lap, and race win "grand slam."

  4. Extra points for on-track overtaking

  5. Reduce second place to 6 points

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  1. ItaliaF1

    ItaliaF1 F1 Veteran

    Aug 28, 2005
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    The points system is already messed, as Lewis is a co-leader of the WDC without a single win, etc. I think points should be given for pole, fastest lap, and if a driver pulls the "grand slam" of pole, fastest lap, and race win, a few more points should be awarded. Also, the second place should go back to only 6 points, because having second place be 8 points reduces a driver's motivation to really push for the win and overtaking should should be rewarded with point(s). What do you guys think?
     
  2. ferraridude615

    ferraridude615 F1 Veteran

    May 4, 2006
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    1st 3 are good. For the 4th some teams would probably want to start 22 to pass the entire field and gets lost of points. For the 5th we should subtract points for 2nd, but add points to first.
     
  3. pdavid

    pdavid Karting

    Dec 15, 2005
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    Wasn't the points system changed to avoid having a driver walk away with the title halfway through the season? I don't remember when the system was changed, but I'm pretty sure it had something to with Schumacher dominating a previous championship.

    I don't think F1 will ever adopt a points system that mimics the ones used in IRL, CART, or other forms of motorpsort. FOM and the top dogs of F1 wouldn't want their sport being associated in anyway to lower forms of motor racing.

    The current points system is fine. It rewards consistency. Besides... in the even of a tie, the driver with the most wins gets the tie breaker. So winning is still important.

    It makes for a more interesting and longer season... since the outcome won't really be evident 'till the later stages of the championship. Unless of course you just have one driver completely dominating the season, then in which case, it wouldn't matter what points system you use.
     
  4. BMW.SauberF1Team

    BMW.SauberF1Team F1 World Champ

    Dec 4, 2004
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    The race winner usually sets fastest lap (they're are the fastest car out there, lol) so they shouldn't get a reward for that imo. The reward is winning the race. Giving bonus points would just be going back to the stupid 4 point gap between 1st and 2nd. FWIW, 4 of the 5 races have resulted in a "Grand Slam." Plus, very, very few teams are capable of setting the fastest lap.

    Getting rewarded a point for pole is dumb as well only because of the current qualifying setup. It hurts teams that take on extra fuel for strategy and rewards teams that run lighter on fuel. It can also hurt people who set qualifying times with traffic. If it was the old way, being as low on fuel as possible, clear track all to yourself, then yes, I agree with that 1 point reward.
     
  5. speedy_sam

    speedy_sam F1 Veteran

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    I voted for the first three and add to that give 12 points for the win to keep the 4 point gap between first and second as before.
     
  6. rmani

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    yep they re-did the system when schumacher was winning titles before the season was half over.

    I wish they'd increase the points for the winner of a race so it'll help remind the runner up that they need to push for the win. I do not necessarily think they should reduce 2nd to 6 points again because then it'll make the people who finish 7th and 8th get no points, but maybe give the winner 12 points.
     
  7. RP

    RP F1 World Champ

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    As in other racing series, I do believe it would be a great idea to give points to the pole winner. That could change the fuel strategies and sandbagging we now get. Points for fastest lap do not seem to make any sense, a car could go out on segment with little fuel just to get the point.

    I do think that there should be a bigger difference between 1st and 2nd. And then from 2nd to 3rd. I really would not enjoy seeing a WDC crowned after only winning one or two races.
     
  8. Prova85

    Prova85 Formula 3

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    No need to reduce second to 6 with points for pole, fastest lap and "triple crown" not 'grand slam' hehehe :)
     
  9. DGS

    DGS Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_World_Championship_pointscoring_systems

    In 1991, first was increased to 10 points, because three points wasn't considered enough incentive to go for the win.

    In 2003, the points were changed to the current 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 to give points to more positions, and because in '02, Schumi clinched the championship with six races left in the season. (Of course, he also finished on the podium for every single race of the year -- no DNFs, no "10 spot grid penalties".)

    Note that in 1950, only your four best finishes counted.

    But when you can count results from 18 races, a one or two point difference doesn't count for much.

    A win should be a fair chunk of a season total. With 17 or 18 races in a season, first needs to be a far larger number of points.

    Oh, and a point for fastest lap was dropped in 1960, two years after the system stopped awarding points for shared race drives. (Different drivers in the car during the race.)

    Bernie already has talked about increasing the points for first in '08: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6442975.stm

    Instead of ping-pong points, tailored to the previous season, maybe they'll just go with a plan where they announce the points system after the season is over.

    All to avoid looking like IRL. But when you have a large number of races in the season, a meaningful points award for first means that the points totals start getting into four digits. But then lots of teams can score at least *some* points. So maybe a large points system is what F1 has been looking for: maybe something between IRL's (50-40-35) and NASCAR's (points for everybody) systems.
     

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