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  1. jgonzalesm6

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    Synopsis...

    F1 confirms its 2021 vision:

    - Cheaper, simpler, louder, hybrid PU
    - Implement a cost cap with some standardised parts
    - More balance revenue structure "based on meritocracy"
    - Make cars more raceable to increase overtaking opportunities
     
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  3. Nembo1777

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    Good to see meritocracy mentioned, and one thing Liberty should be good at implementing is just that: meritocracy, which as a European knowing the US very well I can confirm is a value that the US enforces far, far better than the nepotism too prevalent here in Europe, particularly in latin countries. Hence our favorite team should not get as prevalent a piece of the pie as it now gets, likewise the veto right as Todt has said really was appropriate for another era (the garagistas with customer Cossie engines versus Maranello). To be clear I don't always agree with his decisions and views, far from it in fact.

    Pity the typo at the end of their press release: it should have read streamlined with a d.
     
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  4. Igor Ound

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    Same old same old. Still no better clue how they’ll implement all these wonderful principles. 2021 is around the corner.
     
  5. Bas

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    Good luck introducing a working cost cap.

    Unless they make it impossible to spent money in certain areas (like the aero which looks like they'll be addressing, and the engine which I'm not sure if they actually are addressing much), they'll find a simple way round and continue spending by the truck load.
     
  6. DeSoto

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    The same good intentions than always: cost reduction, more overtaking, drivers relevance... But nothing specific so far.

    They say that cars must be "different", but that drivers must be the predominant factor... Jeez, how many times I´ve heard that. As long as cars are different, the car will be the deciding factor.

    The costs cap won´t work. Now we have an engineers battle. With a cost cap we´ll have an accountants battle, looking for the most creative way to divert money.

    Reducing "historical bonuses" is right, although they didn´t dare to completely eliminate Ferrari´s. Also giving engine manufacturers some cash is fair, but 10 millions is chump change for them.

    I think that it would be a pity if they delete the MGU-H: for the first time in many years, there was a thing in F1 that really was ahead of road cars or any other kind of racing cars. The lack of noise has more to do with fuel flow and rpm limitations. Althoguh I understand that engines must be cheaper.
     
  7. DeSoto

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    Meritocracy the American way: everybody uses a Dallara chassis.

    No, thanks!!
     
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    Ferrari deserve their historic payments, they are still a garagista, they pay their own bills. Just because they are a success doesn’t mean they should suffer, formula one would be formula nothing without ferrari on the grid. We’d all be wise to remember that


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  9. SPEEDCORE

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    This is how my press release would look like for 2021.

    PU must be V4, V6, V8, V10 or V12 :D
    Cost: Free entry :D
     
  10. vinuneuro

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    This is a whole lotta nothing and of course no details.

    For both the technical regs and commercial they are basically saying "we are going to solve all the problems by largely keeping everything the same.
     
  11. Nembo1777

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    Sorry but you misunderstood my point. Perhaps it is my fault.

    When mentioning meritocracy I wasn't thinking chassis engine or anything technical, I was thinking specifically about revenue share based only on results not on the bloated percentage given Ferrari which is of course my favorite team and has been since I was a kid looong ago but all the other teams are asking for that to be corrected and to be fair and unemotional about it they are absolutely right.
     
  12. Gatorrari

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    My thoughts: the engines should be gasoline-only; leave the electrical stuff to sports cars, which have more relevance to road cars anyway. Allow any number of cylinders up to 16, and limit turbocharged engines to 1/3 the capacity of normally aspirated. A limit on fuel carried is fine as long as it does not unduly limit power. I also suggest a limit to 15,000 RPM as anything higher is too harsh on the ears.

    Reduce the size of front wings and limit the number of elements; wings should resemble those used around 1990. Require the downforce to come from the chassis and not the wings. Eliminate barge boards and other aero doodads; no TV aerial, viking horn or x-wing type appendages.

    Since nearly all overtaking comes upon braking, revise brake design to make it easier to outbrake someone. Consider banning carbon-fiber brakes altogether.

    Require the car numbers to be large and clearly visible on the sides and on the tip of the nose. Drivers can still select their own numbers, but the defending world champion must use number 1.
     
  13. Nembo1777

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    Excellent you should replace Ross Brawn;-) Oh and bring back drum brakes;-)
     
  14. DeSoto

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    Don't worry, I got it. But the American way of motor sport (show over sport) just doesn't interest me. F1 is not about that and I hope that Liberty doesn't get it too wrong.

    About historical bonuses, they look unfair but I think it's the opposite: teams that had stayed in F1 for many years, through bad times, deserve some reward for their loyalty to the sport. Mercedes or Red Bull can quit at any time if F1 doesn't suit them, but you can count on Ferrari or McLaren to put some cars on the track .They're the ones who bring more attention too: Ferrari fans generate more revenue than the bonus Ferrari gets so Liberty would be idiots if they pretend to be cheap about that.

    I agree in that historical bonuses maybe were too high, but I suppose they can reach an agreement somehow. Also "special arrangements" like the one that Bernie did with Red Bull back in the day, are totally out of place.
     
  15. Dino2010

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    No, they aren't right! Without Ferrari, F1 wouldn't exist, and if it yet would, it would be totally meaningless. So, the "other" teams may be very grateful to Ferrari, indeed! What kind of financial revenue deal Ferrari has, is none of their business.
     
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  16. BMWairhead

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    I agree. From a technology standpoint, the efficiency numbers they are reaching with the ICE (~50%) were quite literally thought to be impossible not too many years ago. One big factor in achieving these numbers is not wasting energy. Sound is wasted energy. The requirement for fuel efficiency combined with the opportunity provided by the MGU-K/H dictate that obvious sources of energy cannot be ignored.

    Sound for the sake of sound makes as much sense as adding a bunch of disco lights to each car to improve the visuals. Speaking as someone with damaged hearing, I am biased and do not miss the lack of volume. Speaking as a scientist with a life long love of everything mechanical, I am stunned by the performance from a 1.6 liter power unit and do not miss the lack of volume.
     
  17. jgonzalesm6

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    Meeting this morning on issue of overtaking has ended without any changes. Technical directors refused all proposals. But there is still a small chance rule changes for 2019 will agreed on in next strategy group meeting. #AMuS
     
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    These goals are like a Miss Universe contestant blathering on about her desire to use her title, if she should be blessed to win, to create world peace. Call me when you have accomplished something
     
  19. spirot

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    I think Ferrari are the opposites of Garagista's.... that was Enzo's differentiator from a Manufacturer vs. a garage owner.
     
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    You bring up a good point. There should be a payment to the teams based on longevity. Ferrari, McLaren, Williams, should all get bonuses for being in the sport continuously for 20 + years. every 10 years =x% of increase payment and bonus at the end of the season, The multiplier goes on the position you finish at the end of the year. I mean it does mean something that you have stayed in the sport since the beginning... not sure you should get total most favored team status.... but frankly the lack of teams and diversity of them is pathetic. F-1 needs to encourage manufacturers to come in and stay - free advertising or some kind of system that brings an ROI back to a company for competing.
     
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    "The PU must be cheaper, simpler, louder..." Louder!??! The sound coming out now is horrendous...PLEASE don't make it any louder! They need to CHANGE it to sing like they use to.
     
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    They, mclaren and Williams are the closest to them in principle, building everything themselves (save engines for mclaren and Williams). Mercedes and Renault are big manufacturers, ferrari are specialists by comparison, and have no interest in standard family motoring at all, unlike them who live on it
     
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    Me before the turbo era...

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