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F1 pump self bleeding?

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  1. carguy007

    carguy007 Formula Junior

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    I have quick question about my buddy's f355 with the 360 pump conversion. I just swapped the F1 Motor the other day. When I removed the electric motor from the pump. I had a bunch of fluid leak out. I noticed in Juri Gelovani video's ( F1 pump motor replacement Procedure) on YouTube there was no fluid that came out when he detached the motor from the pump. However when I did this there was fluid that came out. Is this due to different locations of the 355 vs 360? Did I do something wrong? If fluid leaked out those that mean I need to bleed the system or is it self bleeding? I did not remove any lines or the actual pump only the electric motor.

    Thanks
     
  2. phrogs

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    Id say the fluid side of the pump is leaking, if the point of having the halves is to keep the system un distirbed when changing the electric motor, then its leaking.

    Afaik the sytem doesnt self bleed.
     
  3. WATSON

    WATSON Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The 360 pump should not leak when disconnected form the motor. Two separate pieces. In fact I have a motor I just rebuilt on my bench. You sure the fluid is from the pump assy and not from a connection?

    Technically, the F1 system is not self bleeding. The best method is getting it on an SD computer and letting it bleed the whole thing properly.

    There is a thread somewhere on F-chat that describes an in car self bleed method. I have never tried it.
     
  4. Dave rocks

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    I've been giving some thought to F1 bleeding recently.......

    Essentially, one would need to simulate pumping of a clutch pedal. That said, simply connecting a switch to the clutch solenoid to cycle the clutch should allow for bleeding.
     
  5. WATSON

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    Really?
     
  6. Subarubrat

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    The procedure for manually bleeding the clutch on the F1 system is pretty well established, upshift while opening the bleed fitting. I did this after a major overhaul of the F1 system and took the car in for F1 calibration which included a bleed, the dealership verified that the system was already bled properly.
     
  7. WATSON

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    I assume we need to cycle all the gears when bleeding the system correct? So did you do this with the engine running? <gulp>

    Two people?? or can you run a tube from the bleed screw back into the F1 tank?

    I have never tried this, but from what I understood from last years mess on my car, the bleed cycle on the SD computer involves opening all the solenoid valves and running the pump until the air is through.
     
  8. Subarubrat

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    Car powered up but engine off.

    Two people working together just like a brake bleed, shift, open/close, repeat through all the gears. I did it three times but no air after the first cycle.

    I drained the fluid into a container with a short hose and made sure the tank stayed full, very little fluid is actually drained.

    That is exactly what the SD system does, and exactly what you are doing as a manual process. If you look at my F1 thread in the self help section I think I discussed it in more detail, but this is really all there is to it.
     
  9. WATSON

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    Ah, that's right. Sorry. Engine running = 1,2 & R. Engine off = 1 - 6 & R. My bad.

    So two people. Twist open bleed screw, pull the paddle, close bleed screw, repeat? Seems almost too easy.
     

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