Race Day - NASCAR Fan => Wake Up => Watch Race On TV with Family => Buy a cap with their favorite driver's number on it. => Go on with their lives. Race Day - F1 Fan => Wake up => Watch Race On TV by themselves. => Buy a Polo shirt with their favorite driver's logo on it. => Get on internet forum and tell the whole world how wonderful they are because they watched a different TV channel than the NASCAR fan, boring anyone with a brain. Fixed that for ya.
It means that those bits of technology were introduced into F1 where they were adapted and advanced. There is precious new under the sun and all tech has precedents. The more important point is that despite the highly restrictive rules F1 designers repeatedly innovate and create faster and faster machines. No matter how the FIA tries to slow them down.
Cute I don't recall saying "I was better" than anyone - just providing commentary on the subject of "F1 snobbery" which I think is the title of this thread and pointing out that the ONLY country that gives a hoot about NASCAR is the US whereas everywhere else in the world people seem to have enough attention to detail and ability to understand something a little more complex and subtle than a bunch of hicks driving in circles and the governing body implementing rules that ensure the cars run close and DO crash because god knows something has to happen to keep the fans interested. Just because F1 doesn't have 20 lead changes and can actually get through an entire race without a 20-car pileup does not make it boring and does not make the people who appreciate the history and nuances of the sport "snobs". ... and I can wear my logo Polo shirt to MY JOB On Monday as opposed to being able to wear my logo cap at home with my "Family" waiting for the food stamps to show up
Come on, you kidding ? I know other message boards where this thread would be deleted before it got to the 2nd page, the OP "rydermike" is a troll looking for a fight. Why are you people feeding the TROLL ??????
Actually I am "The Troll" and the criticism is accurate - reading back through the thread my posts were pretty stupid and uncalled for. A couple of posters had a good debate going and I took it down with inane insults that to some people might be funny but not here. Apologies - Thanks for the "Troll Slap" Cheers
The subject is fun and interesting regardless of the OP's intent. The problem is that some people can't disagree agreeably.
Good on ya mate. And I'll let it drop after this because I'm not trolling (no really ;-) But I genuinely believe that the real technology today is mostly soft. (ie software, computers) And that is coming from the rally cars if it is coming from a racing series. Look at the 458 Vs Cobra thread. The 458 driver can pull low 11s with his eyes closed because he's driving a computer. The 'street rally cars' (Evo and STi) are more technologically advanced than even the 458. I'm not trying to troll, but I'm a close watcher of car tech and I just don't see it in F1. But maybe I'm wrong? EDIT: Who created the double clutch 'automatic manual' transmission? That's the best piece of car hardware in decades probably. (although I would not be surprised if they existed 70 years ago on some car)
Well, to try to put this discussion back on subject, wasn't Schumacher the same person that said he wouldn't try Indy because it seemed too dangerous? His comments trashing it and later saying it's dangerous would paint him as a bit of a candy ass, would it not?
If you're looking for clean sheet breakthrough stuff you're probably right. But there's a lot of incredibly clever thought that goes into the seemingly marginal improvements that happen in today's F1. The tech is arcane and the designs subtle but if you follow long enough and look close enough its amazing.
I guess David... seems to be incremental improvements within race rules are true of every kind of racing. Frankly, I hate blow boats but I gotta admit, some of those guys are doing cutting edge stuff. I admire it for the technology and engineering but it bores to me tears.
You THINK I started this to start a fight? Thingk again! I appreciate ALL forms of racing , not just one and slam the rest !Funny thing is most of the "snobbery class" assume it's NASCAR that people mean when they are talking about Amreican racing .Let's see ..... Indy 500 where even the slowest guy is doing around 200mph ALL day other than yellows & stops. Then there is sprintcar racing winged or not , How about Supermodifieds? They still hold the lap record at Phoenix. Then along with many other forms of racing ,all good in thier own right , are the short track races ,where most tracks yearly attendance exceed the number that show up to watch what was the ONLY F! race in the country! Oh wait , the largest market cares as much about F1 as F1 does the USA.I'd really rather people take blinders off and ENJOY ALL RACING.
Back to the racing.... I think to be at the top in any Racing you have to be good... F-1 has become just as specalized as NASCAR... however I do think that since F-1 runs in almost all weather, it does require that sensitivity. back in the 70's and 80's F-1 definatly was THE TOP of the racing world... today, not so much. NASCAR used to be a cluby amature event... and has grown into a huge circus. its more about the people than the racing... F-1 used to be about the cars from the best manufactures, and the best drivers. As for the snobbery... its just the European style vs. American style... both are fun and both are a pain in the butt.... just depends on what style you like. I like Road Racing and for me F-1 is ( used to be ) the best... I think ALMS & LMS series are really the best out there...
Is that why you refer to F1 as "formula none" you're just a troll and need to go back to your NASCAR message board. This thread is classic flame baiting, forbidden on most boards.
The "none" was a reference to on track competition , more an engineering , like drag racing at certian level's is more a mechanic's race if you consider on track time.Why be so thin skinned?I for one never figured out in thelate 80's why IMSA GTP didn't just blow the whole CART series out of the water.At same tracks they were faster,looked more like car's that could be the future,had more space to advertise on and could be large enough advertising to actually be readable!As for NASCAR, I'd like it to return to that timeframe as well,before big budgets and not so sanitary to be as boring as today.
Banned now maybe, but a lot of this F1 technology, and a lot more, was passed on to road cars, justifying the effort. Fuel injection, carbon fibre chassis, paddle-shift gearbox, rear diffusers, wings, ECU, etc... were first tested in F1. To me, that justify F1 as a laboratory for manufacturers and a pool of new ideas. What did NASCAR ever bring to automobile engineering?
While that may be true F1 has no need to justify itself. Its just plain cool. What other sports need to prove their worth beyond entertainment value and economic viability?
