F1 Standoff Update: Mosley drops two-tier system, Ferrari takes FIA to court

+10000000 I keep on about that, life in F1 could be so much fun, if he could stick to having his so called fun, in a Chelsea flat..period.

There is no getting away with that horrendous call at Fuji I'm afraid, pure injustice and probably one of the biggest factor's that would make me switch off.

If the Ferrari win this case, probably won't, or does win it, then it get's overturned, going on past cases, then that would be a real big step forward in seeing Spanky M out of F1 IMO. Bernie won't like it tho!

 

In addition to the veto I believe Ferrari also has a 'special' financial arrangement, but that's of minor importance. In calling it "simply a veto" you are understating the potential of the power Ferrari might have. It could allow them, in their self interest, to block something that everyone else in the sport, FIA, Bernie, all the teams, wanted to happen. That can't be right. I simply ask, do you think it would be right if any other team had that power? If your answer is no, then it can't be right that Ferrari has it.

"Raping the manufacturers"? That's a bit strong. It seems to me they are simply levelling the playing field and asking the manufactureres to compete on the same terms as everyone else. Although F1 fans want to see the fastest cars and the best technology I don't believe they want to see it at the expense of keen competition and close racing. A procession led by the richest teams with the rest always trying, but failing, to catch up isn't a spectator sport.

 

Ian, I respect your view, but who was it that gave Ferrari, this veto/special arrangement.

Look what has happened in the commons, with the MP's and now the speaker Michael Martin resigns, unheard of in 300 years corruption, taking the urine. Some know when enough is enough, Max has made the FIA a law unto it's self, and that is wrong ,IMO leveling the playing field is restoring a balance of power, I said it before how Ron Dennis stood it for as long as he did is mind boggling to me.

 

The sport needs strong clear consistant defined rules, not playing around with threats and smoke screens, The FIA should enforce the rule's of racing and safety, and stick to that. Other than that can someone explain to me why Max get's involved.

If he so insists that the teams should cut cost's, and I don't disagree, why not get them all together, and vote a cap amount agreed by majority, and introduce it in a stepped manner.

One of the reasons new teams won't enter the sport , is because of uncertainty and lack of direction.

 

Steve - To have clear, consistent rules and regulations requires someone to make those rules and regulations and then ensure that they are adhered to. That is the job of the FIA and that's what they are doing. You could argue that they aren't making a very good job of it, but that's another matter. I agree, the FIA should get everyone involved round the table to thrash out the budget issue.

I also agree that there is a fair degree of uncertainty at the moment, but not a lack of direction, it's very clear where the FIA wants to go. I can't agree that new teams won't enter the sport because of the current situation, several new teams are lining up to come in next year - when did that last happen? I believe the attraction for them is the proposed budget ceiling, which makes them believe they might have a chance to compete with the big boys, something that isn't very likely in the unlimited budget scenario.

 

From the BBC

 

Details to follow I hope.

 

check out the thread I started about post 20 May ! ! !

Carol

 

no more details needed. It's up to fota now; revised proposal; breakaway series or they all fall in line. I think were going to be reading about this crap for months.
I hate the thought of Max winning. Arrogant prick....

 

It gets worse:

 

Thanks. I did.
The idea that some of the prospective teams are viable F1 contenders would be funny if it weren't being taken so seriously by some. I have to wonder if they themselves really believe.
I do not include the US effort among the glue-sniffing wanna-bees.

 

Why not? Do they have a better track record and credentials than, say, Lola?

 

That's far too reasonable and logical an expectation. That is how it should be handled though.

 

Call it wishful thinking.

 

huge amounts of money at stake

 

I guess it wasn't! The court didn't even hear the case.

Sorry to highlight this, it's just that it's so rarely that I am right, I had to. OK, back to my normal curmudgeonry.

 

And he loves abuse.

 

Believe me Dave, if I see him that's what he will get.

 

"whip me, beat me, make me write bad checks" M.M.

 

I'd be put away for murder.

Seriously, Ferrari leaving F1 would be a disaster for all, and I don't care what anyone says contrary to it.

Thinking about this cap more, IMO it would destroy all the innovation, new materails, and banning of certain materials and the restriction of research to developing more efficient engines. Which in turn would lead a shift away from the sort of risky, experimental research that occasionally delivered radical innovations with the ability to improve the lives of ordinary people.

PornoMax is systematically destroying this sport...

 

But Steve, do you want to drool over the very latest hi tech, duratanium widget or do you want to watch competitive, exciting racing? You're right, budget caps might well result in fewer innovations, but F1 is supposed to be, first and foremost, a sport not a laboratory. If it produces innovations that are useful in 'real life' that's a bonus, but that's not the reason for F1's existence and it certainly isn't the reason people watch F1.

 

Hehe .... both mate ..I really do love high tech stuff incorporated in to racing, As you know all I want is fair racing, fair understandable rules, not grey areas, exciting racing yes but, not results changed after the flag dropped.

I make no bones about it, you know I have not been Ferrari's biggest fan on here, that's due to fact I rate Lewis and that put me at logger heads with blinkered Massa Ferrari fans, but the last thing I want is to see them go..hell it seems so wrong it has come down to this, and I blame Mosley's pig headed approach. Really there can be life after Max, and Bernie for that matter.

 

Hopefully we'll not see anyone leave, that would not be good. I believe the likelihood is we'll get a compromise that everyone can live with and we'll see all the teams competing again next year, plus a couple of new ones.

 

F1 is a team sport and an important part of the team are the engineers and designers. I'd go so far as to say that it is the sophistication of design that has made F1 paramount. There have been great drivers in most every motorsport arena but F1 has usually been the pinnacle because it is where the best equipment has been. It is where a driver can prove himself capable of excelling in the finest machines. Just as there is a qualitative difference in driving a Ferrari road car that transcends other road cars an F1 car has to be of the highest level too. To change that will change the very heart of what Grand Prix racing is.

 

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