F1 teams agree elimination style qualifying for 2016

Again, not at all. Criticism is fine. We've all got, & are fully entitled to post our opinions, be they good or bad.

But, I've gotta say having read your thoughts on F1 over the years, you just seem to have an incredibly negative view about it. Which you are of course entitled to, but it doesn't appear to ever bring you any 'happiness' was my point.

Cheers,
Ian

 

I agree with you Ian. Not singling you out in particular William, but I also see certain members on here always complaining about F1 and how they will no longer follow F1 because it sucks, is boring, etc... yet they are still here complaining because they are obviously still following it.

 

F1 is certainly not my favourite series anymore.
Like many followers, I don't like the way it's going.
Maybe because I was already following it during the 60s, in what some consider the "Golden Age" of motor racing.
I cannot put my finger on one single reason why it has lost its charm, but it's certainly not as good as it once was. I suspect excessive technology has ruined it, and the cost that goes with it. Now, the organisation is busy rearranging chairs on the Titanic. The series is doomed, unless it has a major shake up. That's my opinion.

I have stopped attending F1 races years ago; they are poor value for money.
GPs nowadays are mostly attended by an uneducated public that needs to be seen there, celebrities on parade, and people with no connection with motor racing, but eager to visit the hospitality suites to ply their trade. Something between the Oscars and the Business Show. Someone here remarked recently that a lot of the "spectators" at GPs don't actually watch the races!!

Now, I would certainly not say the same about MotoGP which I find very interesting still, and where the competition is healthy , the racing easy to understand and the show outstanding.

 

That's a very BROAD generalization you make. Out of the hundred thousands of people that attend a race weekend, what percentage actually affords those paddock passes and gets to mingle with celebrities? I would say not a lot, definitely in the single digits.

 

That was certainly not my impression when I attended Silverstone in 2014. Fans were riveted to the cars on track.

In between sessions, the most zoned out folk seemed to be the ones wearing baggy jeans halfway down their thighs, raggy shirts, dark sunglasses, guage ear piercings, iPod headphones firmly affixed in their ears but audible from 5 feet away, and razor-straight-peaked Mercedes hats with the price labels still proudly affixed to them. Their iPods were louder than the F1 cars... so I guess there's going to be a lot of deaf gangsta rapper wannabes in the coming years. But even they paid close attention when the cars were running.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

I think it shows passion for the sport when it drives you mad at its ineptitude in finding a format that promotes excitement. William and I rarely agree (which I suspect he's happy about eh!) but I have to say, I watch f1 but am absolutely bored rigid mostly for the last few years because of the stupid rules, crappy little engines, pointless hybrid rubbish, and total lack of testing and limited development....... We should all want a return to the days when teams developed constantly throughout the year, testing if they wanted to do well, and if they couldn't afford it, turning up and having a go without whining about it. It's not a sport run by communists, so the rich teams don't have to care about the poor ones, and why should they? It's a race, turn up, develop, race, try to win. That keeps racing fans happy.

Pre mandated winners thru rules like today does not make for exciting races. So they've changed qualy, so what? On the whole the normal fastest cars will be first, and the crap ones last still. However, along the way, the odd fast team with a chance of winning will probably lose out early because their kers won't charge that one time, or a dipstick will hold them up, get done for blocking, but the fast guy doesn't get to go again, and we will all bemoan the loss of the chance of a fight at the front.

The only way this works is if mercs team manages to fluff qualy, and start every race from the back, to give us all a chance - chances of that with the super dooper rules ? NONE

Back to 12 or 15 laps low fuel qualy would be better. Maybe they could have a 'set up half hour' first to get everyone on track with a minimum number of laps for the tv, and have the crap teams get their tv time, but low fuel qualy like the old days is, and was always, the best kind

Can't afford F1? Boo hoo, go home. Have a fighting, racing spirit, you will be there with whatever you can and sponsors will come - look at Jordan, always skint, always there

 

I attended GPs in an era when there was no paddock pass, and an entry ticket allowed you to roam in the garage area, among the drivers and mechanics, talk to them if they felt like it, obtain an autograph maybe, and even sometimes being asked to help loading a car in the truck after the race. There was no hospitality suites, only a few caravans disseminated in the paddock.
There was no rehearsed organised press conference, no celebrities show, and everything was low key. Most of the participants were more approachable as well, in a manner that is unthinkable now.
Most spectators used to camp around the circuits, have barbecues together. There were no team merchandise, no team apparel in sight, etc...

So yes, I admit I make a BROAD generalisation on all the changes that occured since that time (early 60s).

 

F1 qualifying changes 'delayed until Spain' says Bernie Ecclestone
F1 boss says time is needed to build software for the new format

F1 qualifying changes 'delayed until Spain' says Bernie Ecclestone | F1 News

Maybe it will not be adopted!! We can hope.....

 

Maybe they'll use the same coders responsible for the F1 App - in which case they may get it sorted close to season end.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

The new qualifying setup is just the latest pock mark on the body of F1. F1 used to be outrageous, loud, fast, and dangerous. Then somebody decided that it would appeal to a wider audience is it were just a bit more socially responsible. So, it eventually evolved to be more eco-friendly by mandating smaller engines, hybrid technology, fuel use restrictions, etc. All in hopes that these regulations would make the cars more relevant to the cars we drive everyday, and thereby more attractive to more folks.

Those "highly relevant" "power units" (God forbid we call then engines) are so puny that they sound like lawn mowers. So, another committee has been empowered to "bring back the noise."

Then some committee, study group or panel became concerned that a driver might get hurt, in a sport that is inherently very dangerous. So, courses had to be rebuilt, redesigned, replaced or abandoned. Now some courses are so "safe" that "getting it wrong" and going off course doesn't result in a loss of position or dropping out of the race (it may even result in time or position gains), it triggers a meeting of marshals who search the sporting regulations to see what time penalty will be added to the drivers finish.

The more socially responsible F1 gets the less it appeals to race fans, and no amount of socially responsible actions will ever make it appeal to the masses of non-race fans.

So, now they have hit on tweaking the qualifying format as a way to "spice things up". Fat chance!

 

Imagine how many fans will be drawn in by a qualifying system so complex that it requires months of coding to write the software needed to make it function! ROFLMAO

Why don't we just skip a few steps and announce that in 2018 F1 will be a pay-per-view event (live streaming or on-demand) that is actually a video game competition between 24 very talented programmers, in simulators,hooked up via the internet.

 

Start from the back like the ridiculous trait of the Forza games? Please no. Qualifying is what the popular video games lack.

I think this gimmicky scheme is a direct result of the strict rules on engines and modifications. Everyone is so worried about preserving engines and parts and tires that they wait till the last minute. If teams were free to push it, break stuff, fix it, and draw down on the team coffers - rich or poor, it would be much better and return the essential competition to this sport that barely survived being dynamited by the full hybrid change.

Maybe a simple mandate that all running teams must log a time every 5 minutes?

 

Nor could I.

 

+1

 

I used to really enjoy the original qualifying style because the last few minutes were amazingly exciting. I will admit though I got to enjoy the Q1/2/3 format.

F1 is not endurance racing, of course they are not going to be going around and around for no reason ... and think about the skill it takes to get pole by only doing a couple of laps!
Pete

 

The removal of suspense is why F1 is no longer captivating.

Qualifying used to built towards the last few minutes/seconds. Very exiting.
Passing used to require patience, skill and bravery, now they just push the DRS button.
Race results used to be decided during a race ...

Pete

 

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Just days after a new F1 qualifying format was announced Bernie Ecclestone has suggested the plans could be scrapped altogether. The F1 boss told the Independent that the changes would be delayed until the Spanish GP to allow new software to be developed, but has now hinted they could be dropped entirely.

“We will see if the changes that have been announced get over-turned,” Ecclestone told Forbes. (Full story - external site)

F1 News, Drivers, Results - Formula 1 Live Online | Sky Sports

 

Yep. For the last couple of seasons, I pretty much tuned out until the last minute of each session. Even then, the only real surprises where in Q1 and Q2.



Mark

 

An update to this. Might be employed earlier with a small change - Elimination qualifying could be back on for Melbourne

 

Removing this from Q3 is at least an improvement.

 

sounds like it is coming...
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/neues-qualifying-system-in-melbourne-10594806.html

 

Not so fast, say the drivers..Drivers against new F1 qualifying system