F1 to 6 speed swap ?

Sure it can be done!! Anything can be done!!

It just takes money.......and A LOT of it!

 

Not sure on Ferrari but in other cars this is what you have to do.
Get new transmission, possibly axles, linkage, petal assembly, interior parts, master and slave cylinders, clutch, flywheel, etc. etc. etc. Then the ECU for a manual model. With the tuning differences between the Scud and the normal F430 you would probably need some kind of tuning to make that work. Some ECUs are flash-able, e.g. GM, however many are not. I have no idea if Ferrari ones are or are not. If they arent then you would have to get either a stand alone unit (Haltech, APEX-i, AEM, etc.)or a piggy back unit if someone sells one specifically for the F430. If you have to pass emissions then you will have to figure out a way to make OBDII happy if you have to go with a stand alone unit.

Long story short. It is probably less expensive to purchase a 6-speed F430 and upgrade it to Scud spec then to go the F1 to 6 speed swap...

-Nick

 

Much easier to jack up the VIN plate and slide a new car under it. Better off just getting the 6-speed car because it will cost a bucket full of Benjamins to do the mod, and you will take a huge hit when you try to sell it.

 

What they said...

 

Nicholas- You are misled. The cars have exactly the same transmission as manual six speed transmissions/transaxles, only the shifter mechanisms are different. Clutches are the same, only the throwout bearing is different to match up to the F1 shifter mechanism. The only ECU change necessary would be the elimination or non-use of the F1 Shifter ECU. Our experts here say it is not that big a deal and orders of magnitude less expensive than upgrading an f430. More research next time.

Mousecatcher- If you are serious about this and not just asking a hypothetical question, which I strongly suspect, contact Brian Crall or Dave Helms and cough up some money. They can make it happen if you can pay the freight.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

The throwout bearing has different seals to cope with clutch fluid in a manual car, so these would have to be changed. not that big a deal, just a transmission pull. However, bear in mind these have an e-diff, which is married to the f1 pump, some quite substantial change would be required in that area. It could be done though....

 

If you were converting a Nissan 240SX from auto to manual, sure go for it. For a Scuderia?! from paddle to 3-pedal manual? I mean yeah, you could Monster Garage anything. But why?

 

You can not change The shifting system from a Sele speed to a Manuel ! Do to the setup .

 

Not true

 

Of course you can.

 

Ok if you Re Engineer and Manufacture parts, re assemble the transmission assemble whit the new parts and!! Test your retrofit as Ferrari do > yes to a sele speed (F1) to work as a Manuel Shifting Gear Transmission it is possible . Please Watt is the different from a Manuel Transmission to A Manuel Transmission ? Can you flay ? yes you can …. Whit Air plain so the plain flays you are cast inside !

 

You really need to learn more about the cars especially if you plan on giving advice about them.

 

LMAO!

 

Could someone translate this, please?

 

Serkan- Your profile says Ferrari engineer. Surprising you did not know the Ferrari F1 system has always been an electro-hydraulic shifter mechanism for a manual transmission and clutch.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I think something was lost in the "transmission" of his statements!!!

 

Hiyo!!!

 

They are outsourcing their engineering to Nw Joisey these days?

 

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Hi tazandjan

Thanks yes I’m raiding and helping people from www.exoticars-usa.com I,m www.ferrariengineer.com Thanks Mr. Wil have this new for Free for all Ferrari Maserati Lamborghini ex… owners as much I’m whit Exoticars-USA in NJ And you do not make fun of my English you do learn from it… one’s I’m back you will need to pay many of your US Dollar for information Ok Thank you. F1 system has a electro-hydraulic shifter mechanism not for a manual transmission as hydraulic shift whit 2x clutch (no MANUEL) and clutch do to that is a F1 system now: mousecatcher question was F1 to Manuel ok F1 TOOO MANUEL English : )) ? Not Watt is a F1... Yes My English needs language translation : ) you guys have that one right and you need to learn to be a gentlemen and not make fun of people default . Yes Thanks for the info, you know so much Gran Turismo and in F1 systems : ))) . If I have a question I will ask you . : ) I’m so sorry for my English I will help Ferrari Maserati Pagani, Bugatti ex…. owners whit tear problems whit this English and I will Lorne moor Thanks again for your correction. I’m From Europe not America I’m a Ferrari Factory Registered Work Shop Engineer of course trained by Ferrari Maranello. Sorry we have this debate how are you and are you a mechanic or ? Ok Arrivederci

 

Serkan- Your English is understandable. As good as my German. Rifledriver, who posted earlier, is a Ferrari trained mechanic who owns his own very busy Ferrari shop in California. Rustybits owns his own Ferrari shop on the beautiful island of Cyprus. Both are real experts, as is 2NA from Wisconsin. I am just an amateur, but I do listen to what they tell me because they know what they are doing and have been doing it for decades.

A little research in the parts catalogs will show you there is no difference in the transaxles or clutches for an F1 or manual shifter. Throwout bearings, yes. The 430 was set up to accomodate either a manual or an F1 shifter, and it is mainly just pulling the F1 parts and replacing them with all the parts necessary for the manual shifter. Easy for me to say since I will not be doing it. Nearly all the parts could probably be found on a wrecked car or two.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

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Hi Terry

The inquiry is :

think it's possible to convert/retrofit a clutch pedal and manual shifter into an F1 car? I’m specifically thinking of a 430 scuderia./430 scuderia/430 scuderia

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seems to me the main problem would be if you could get the ECU to continue to work.

OK now Terry please listen me : 1. You Can do a Manuel Scudery !!! ( I wouldn’t be a part of it : ) 2. convert/retrofit OK convert NO YOU CAN NOT CONVERT A F1 IN TO MANUEL Retrofit ???? I do not will answer this … That’s all It is a pleasure for me Mr. .Terry if you need any thing we are ready to serve all your gran turismo need’s. Thank You

Ps: Please TAZANDIJAN, MOUSECATCHER, RUSTY BITS , RIFLEDRIVE where
Is The ECU for the F1 ? And bye for to day is 5.00 Pm I’m on from 10.00 Am M-F to 5.00Pm…. Ciao

 

You are close, I'm in Minnesota.