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F1 Transmission Fault

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  1. h00kem

    h00kem Guest

    Dec 15, 2004
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    Was driving yesterday in my 575M f-1 with 310 miles. Cruising at 70 MPH in 6th gear when the gear indicator window all of a sudden showed a dash " - " rather than the gear and the gear box warning light came on as constantantly red (but no indication of low fluid). The car wouldn't shift up or down. I pulled into a gas station in the middle of nowhere and the car jerked to a stop in 6th gear. Couldn't clear the fault for anything. Five hours later the Ferrari road side assistance showed up to get the car. It's at the shop today but I haven't heard the diagnosis. Anyone want to venture a guess what it might have been or better yet whether I might have been able to clear it somehow in the field without having to have had the car picked up? The book says nothing other than "call roadside assistance" and roadside assistance won't offer any field tech tips.
     
  2. Doody

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    five hours? geez.

    were you two hours from nowhere?

    good luck with it.

    doody.
     
  3. h00kem

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    I live in Austin, Texas but was out about 40 miles from town out on a long stretch of highway in the country. If you can believe it they had to go to Dallas for a crew that had the equipment and know to pick up the car. I wasn't happy but I would have been much less happy if they had sent some local guy with a plain flatbed to drag my in-gear car onto the bed. The guys the sent were pros but yep, actually a little more than 5 hours. Dallas is about 4 hours away! Oh well. I can't imagine what Ferrari will pay for that pickup!

    I'll let folks know what the problem turns out to be and whether it could have been cleared. Thought it might be interesting to see if anyone knew or wanted to venture a guess!
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Interesting scenario, technically anyway. Sorry you got stuck. Sounds like you lost hydraulic pressure, power to a major component or communication between components. For it not to release the clutch when you got slowed down suggests that it was something major operationally. Let us know what happened.
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I think you will find it was not something you could have done anything about.

    They had to go to Dallas to get a tool that would release the clutch. It's a $1000.00 gizmo the dealers all have.
     
  6. h00kem

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    Dec 15, 2004
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    Yep, wasn't fun getting stuck and one sure hopes such a car is mechanically solid but then again it is a machine. I will let eveyone know what the diagnosis is. On the other hand it was kind of fun to see the number of folks who passed by on the highway and pulled in to take picture and look at a Ferrari. Several wanted to help. It should remind all of us how much of a privledge it is to see a Ferrari much less drive one.
     
  7. Serpent Driver

    Serpent Driver Formula Junior

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    That's cool:) Sorry about the car though... Hope you get it fixed fast so you get it back on the road and can start smoking those rear tires!:D
     
  8. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Hate to say it but those are a PITA.

    I stopped to help a Doc here, in a 360, it was 22 miles since dealer attention, and three weeks left on warranty.

    I did NOT envy him.

    Best wishes! I know it's the bees knees, when it's ginning!
     
  9. Joe G.

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    aren't F1's more trouble than they're worth ?

    seems to be IMHO
     
  10. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I met someone here who sent a Lambo egear back. very dissapointing.
     
  11. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Cars were more trouble than they were worth compared to horses at one time. I guess we should never have gone that route either. Ferrari's are a lot more trouble than a Toyota so why on earth do any of you own one? And why on earth would you pay 15 times the amount of money for the dubious privilege? Doesn't that make them more trouble than they are worth? If you feel there is no need to push performance or technology buy a Chrysler.
     
  12. BigTex

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  13. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Is that for real????#0858?????

    Napolis?????


    *jaw dropping*
     
  14. LMPDesigner

    LMPDesigner F1 Rookie
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    I lost my F1 drive in my 360 under similar circumstances. One of the hydraulic hoses blew spewing fluid eveywhere. Stuck in whatever gear at the time-you pull to a stop and kill engine. From that point car is now in gear (no clutch) and will not start at all. (Car will not start if clutch engaged and in gear) so I am going nowhere. Also you do not want to pull car up flat bed as you will rotate rear tires, gearbox and hence engine. This will cause valves to hit pistons as the cam actautor is not running because engine is not running! So put rear wheels in dollys and then flat bed car.

    Found one hose had failed--Ferrari wanted $1000.00 for the hose!! I had a better one made by Goodridge (Who makes them for the F1 Team!) for the staggering cost of $28.00! Talk about markup. Anyway car fixed and back running. F1 shift systems are very cool but are still somewhat new and not completely bug free on the street. Consequences of being on the "tip of the wave."
     
  15. 4i2fly

    4i2fly Formula 3

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    Brian,

    Is that like a powersteering hose to handle high pressure? I am wondering why Ferrari's was so expensive? By the way, did you follow through with your complain to FNA?

    Cheers,
     
  16. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    It is so expensive for one reason and one reason only, Kragens doesn't sell them. Guess who has a monopoly.


    In progress.
     
  17. f355spider

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    They have to price them that way...or you might build the car from parts for less....how else can you justify a $185k price tag for a 360? I was shocked that a window regulator for a 355 is $1450!

    Dave
     
  18. h00kem

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    Dec 15, 2004
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    The car has been in the shop now for 3 days and no firm diagnosis. They "think" that the control until for the F1 transmission is fryed??? Ferrari is sending an updated one...keep in mind that this is a 2005 with 300 miles so it is difficult to imagine there is an updated one...and they "hope" it fixes the problem. Sounds like fishing to me but I really don't care since it is under full warranty...I will care if the problem persists beyond the warranty! This is my 3rd F1 car and I have never had a problem before. The guys that picked the car up said he has seen the same problem on Lambos, 360s and 355s but never on a 575...I assumed that he implied that the 575 is more solid but perhaps he just doesn't see many 575s. Hope I don't have the problem again but I must admit that had it been a manual there would have been no problem. Drive by wire cars simply have more to go wrong. I must admit however that driving an F1 for longer rides it pure pleasure. Anyway, thanks for the comments and sympathy guys!

    ps: I will let you know what the fix turns out to be.
     
  19. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I am not surprised about his comment. 575's are the latest generation and have been the most trouble free F1 system.
     
  20. pma1010

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    Brian
    Does this imply the 355 F1 is the most trouble prone?
    Philip
     
  21. Joe G.

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    no dude
    some people just don't like particpating in ferrari's guinea pig program
     
  22. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    In my experience the 360's had a few more problems but by the we were more familiar with the system so we had less problems diagnosing them. It did seem to us though that the 575 in terms of it's programming and functioning as a result of that programming was very good as well as having less component failures.
     
  23. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    You mean THAT guinea pig program. If you own a Ferrari you are participating in some guinea pig program.
     
  24. 1975gt4don

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    really sorry to hear about this, but on the same note, you bought a car with an electronic transmission.
     
  25. h00kem

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    I don't really know. I had a 355 f1 first generation and never had a single problem. Quite honestly the guys who picked me up said he had picked up more Bentleys with the f1 transmission than anything...I would guess that their f1 is not the same. You would think f1 transmission technology would be rock solid given how long they have been used in f1 cars and how hard those cars are driven.

    The guys called today and said that they put a new upgraded control unit in the car that was recommended by Ferrari. They said that from the markings on the old unit it looked to them like there were problems fixed at the factory that obviously were not successful. Anyway, the good news was that the car now shifts into 1,3 & 6 gears...bad new, not 2 & 4 gear! They think they have a grounding problem. I hope the Ferrari shop knows what the heck they are doing. This seems awfully odd to me. You would think that if you build a $260,000 cars you would also have a network that could fix them!

    More to come...
     

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