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F1 Vs. 6 Speed Manual

Discussion in '348/355' started by Laserman, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. redwedge

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    If you get up early enough, you can spank your car even in my overcrowded corner of south-east England. And if you head over to Italy (a day's drive, granted most of it will be quite dull, but there are some fantastic mountain passes on the way), it's not unknown for the police to actually instruct you to drive the car hard!
     
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  3. Klas

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    The interior looks a lot more classic and Ferrari genuine with the caractheristic gated shifter with the chromed ball stick. Go for manual!
     
  4. jgriff

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    I’ve owned both so here is my opinion. F1 if you intend it as a track car and care about how fast is. If it’s a street car get the manual.

    F1 can be frustrating when parking and in traffic but is fantastic when you are driving near the limit.
     
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  5. johnk...

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    Not really. A little history on the dual clutch transmission.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmission
     
  6. Rossocorsa1

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    Please. Ford Fiesta? Obviously we are talking about Ferrari technology and how the F1 system, first adopted on the 355, was a game changer, not just for Ferrari, but ultimately for all high-end sports car brands.
     
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  8. G. Pepper

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    I gotta have a manual in my V8's. For V12's, especially 2+2's, I'd rather have paddles with an auto option.
     
  9. LVP488

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    For me the F1 system on the 355 was not very good, it was an early stage system in spite of being state-of-the art for the time.
    It probably shifts slightly faster than a manually operated gearbox but for an automated system it's not really impressive, and besides, the 355 is now an old (an slow by modern standards) car, so that the increase of performance is not meaningful.
    The F1 system was then gradually improved and at the end (on the F430 and 599) it was really good, although no match for the DCT.
    All my comments are highly personal and subjective though ;)
     
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  10. BOKE

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    Have you had some time behind the wheel of a 355 F1? Remember 20 years ago it was unique and impressive. It was also a $10K option.
     
  11. LVP488

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    I drove it back to back with the manual 355 (and the 550 Maranello) during Corso Pilota in 1998; and although it was new and a technical tour-de-force for the time, I was actually not really impressed by the results.
    On the other hand, I was blown away by the DCT the first time I drove a 458 (even though at that time I was owning a 599 with a very well resolved F1 system).
     
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  13. Rossocorsa1

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    Certainly valid points, though it’s fair to keep in mind that it’s all relative. Ferrari’s of the 60’s and 70’s are rather prehistoric compared to the technologies of the 90’s, and so on. Still, a big part of the pleasure and joy of owning a vintage car is enjoying it for what it is - a snapshot from another time. For that reason, given the significance of the F1 transmission in Ferrari evolution and history, I personally take a lot of pride in preserving and maintaining my car at the highest level. So, for me, the F1 system carries significance for more reasons than one. But, as for the OP’s main topic, if it’s purely a driving experience that he is weighing, and he enjoys the gated shifter experience, than he should consider that seriously. Beyond the transmission, however, I would also advise that he takes his time and sort the best car based on a variety of factors. There are plenty of options out there and there likely will continue to be.
     
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  14. UConn Husky

    UConn Husky F1 Rookie

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    I haven't read all the posts here, guessing it's the usual 6 speed guys saying how horrible the F1 is?? Regardless for my 2 cents....LOVE the F1. I've had it for 10 years, ZERO issues with the F1. I put a new clutch in when I bought it, did the self calibration, still drives and shifts like a dream. Don't get me wrong, I also love 3 pedal cars, I've been racing 6 spd. STI's for years...perfect double clutch downshifts are fun. For for the 355 cruising on twisty back roads, F1 all the way!
     
  15. Mitch Alsup

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    In my case, I don't think F1 is horrible, but it interferes with the way the driver and car communicate.

    There are lots of things one can do in a manual that one cannot do in an F1:
    a) take it out of 6th, and put it in 2nd, and nail the throttle with no intermediate gears being selected.
    b) take off in 1st gear, then drop it into 6th gear at 42 MPH using no intermediate gears;
    while looking at your passenger and saying "This thing only needs 2 gears".
    c) shift into neutral without taking the transmission out of gear
    d) ...
     
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  16. Dave rocks

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    Well, to be technical, disengaging the clutch is really not shifting into neutral
     
  17. taz355

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    Dave meant engaging the clutch.
    He could have also meant disengaging the transmission
     
  18. Dave rocks

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    Nope. I meant what I said ;) :)

    I think ?

    Who knows. It's late and I'm tired :cool:
     
  19. taz355

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    Maybe i miss understood sorry its late and im Canadian
     
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  20. UConn Husky

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    I'm just seeing more reasons I don't need a 3 pedal 355! ;):D

    BUT I guess I could add to the list if I really wanted to be impartial...3 pedal guys can also drive off with the doors open. Ditto the frunk cover and the engine cover...us F1 guys can only drive with those things closed up, sheesh!
     
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  21. johnk...

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    My Cayman with PDK does that all by itself. If it's in 6th or 7th and you take your foot off the throttle the engine drops to idle, unless you are on a down hill or you touch the brake, and not in Sport mode.

    Jay, do you have your car back on the road yet? Haven't seen you at GB this year.

    One of the benefits of a 3 pedal is that it can be a 95 with no immobilizer. ;)
     
  22. UConn Husky

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    Hey John, been enjoying my new STI Type RA...awesome from the factory, only 500 made...I started modding the day she came home :) Drove the 355 quite a bit last week before the rain came in, getting close to time for the winter nap...
     
  23. yelcab

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    3 pedal guys can change a clutch and throw out bearing without having to ask "where is my kissing point?"
     
  24. BOKE

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    I really like cake.
     
  25. phrogs

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    You forget if you let too much pressure off the brake pedal a manual won't change out of gear to neutral.
     
  26. Challenge

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    What??
     
  27. phrogs

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    If you let off the brake pedal too much but are still sitting still say at a red light and you just let up too much the F1 trans will kick you into neutral.

    Usually just as it turns green.
     
  28. BOKE

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    I owned my 1998 355 GTS F1 for 20 years from when I bought it new. I only took my foot off the brake once on my first test drive of another F1 car in Los Gatos forcing the system to drop to neutral. Do you think it would be better if the car stayed in gear and rolled forward??? You can't fault the F1 system for driver error.
     

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